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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    I would say that the ineptitude of the conventional forces is because theyve had to spend so much of their budget maintaining their nuclear arsenal, but I agree that its so shrouded in secrecy that your guess is as good as mine.

    In any event its fair to assume Russia has a sufficient nuclear arsenal to cause massive death and destruction on the US and EU, even if most of their weapons or delivery systems fail or fizzle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I strongly believe that Russia will never deploy nuclear weapons as part of an offensive war. The only instance where it's really worthwhile to use them is if the integral territory of Russia is attacked in a grand strategic way and there is the real possibility of Russia succumbing as a sovereign state to a foreign invader. No other scenario makes their use worthwhile, not while there is at least one other power in the world with lots of nuclear weapons also.

    I think it was Prof. Michael Clarke who outlined what America's response to a nuclear attack from Russia on Ukraine, which wasn't so much that America would hit Russia as America would hit Putin. As I've mentioned before, Putin is so scared of being killed, that he's not going to raise the likelihood to the level of a bunker bomb hitting the Kremlin to that level. Not if he can help it, anyway.

    Russia will use nuclear weapons for threats and leverage, as we're seeing, but that's it. Forward deploying nukes in Belarus shows us that he wouldn't dare do the unthinkable, considering that the missiles bearing nuclear warheads can fly between continents. It is one hundred percent a peace of theatre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Definitely 1 tank on fire it looks like not sure if other vehicles are abandoned or just sitting back as don't seem damaged



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It may be a good characterisation of whatever passes for the Russian urban middle class, i.e. the kind you're likely to meet on holiday in Thailand talking down to the wait staff. I don't know if it's typical of the peasants of the provinces, however. I've seen plenty of those old Bald and Bankrupt videos where he goes around those kinds of places and they seem friendly enough, and quite giving of what little they may have. In fairness, I don't expect that woman to say any different - if she says she doesn't want the car, she could get a window in exchange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    @briany " In fairness, I don't expect that woman to say any different - if she says she doesn't want the car, she could get a window in exchange."

    Looks like a propaganda video to me.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    At this rate the Russian volunteers will be coming up behind the Russian army and cutting off them in Ukraine.

    Meanwhile the Ukrainian version of Michael Bay brings you sssshhhh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    On a lighter note and another example of Russia being behind the times, that pouf hairstyle which saw its peak here in the mid to late 2000s, appears to be alive and well in Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Generally, they tend to form into group's, pretty much as we ( and other Country's do) But there's a stronger level of mistrust with them. Once you get friendly with a group or family, that it, you are accepted. But Russian Life conditions them to look after themselves first and foremost in a much stronger ( if that's the right word) way, than we would do here. They are used to being messed ( there's another word that describes it much more accurately beginning with the letter "F" ) around, especially by the state and its agency's. Its common amongst all of them in my experience, be they City or Rural. Their attitude when abroad is a different matter entirely. Arrogant and domineering just about sums it up, especially from the City Russians.

    Post edited by jmreire on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Geo-location of Ukrainian forces in Novodarivka.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    What they all fail to see ( or deliberately ignore) is that Russia itself was the trigger for all the western support. In Feb 2022, this support simply did not exist full stop. A Russian win was a foregone conclusion. Then the fight back began, and as Russian atrocities became known, support grew, until it is what it is today. But according to those Russians interviewed, this was all a pre arranged plot, engineered between NATO and the US. Straight from the Kremlin Factory of lies. Or else, no one wanted to publicly say anything negative about Putins war. and in the present Russian climate, I'd put a lot of faith in that explanation. I mean, not one of them ( that I read) even remotely or vaguely blamed Russia, ignoring completely the laws of cause and effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Western support for Ukraine did exist prior to 2022 in the form of things like Operation Orbital from the British, the purpose of which being to fend off the kind of incursion Russia had been practicing since 2014. It stepped up quite exponentially in the wake of the 2022 invasion, however, but it was this prior training and support which allowed Ukraine to stand an initial chance. Russia cite this buildup as one of the reasons for its invasion, despite the fact that they had already been invading which necessitated the military buildup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, it was an attempt to buy time for Ukraine. But according to the answers the Russian's in the Medusa questionnaire / poll gave, the trend was that actual cause and effect of the whole story was by-passed in the Kremlin narrative, basically that this situation had evolved many years ago solely due to western Russophobia, and US hegemony etc etc. it came to a head with Ukraine. And therefore, Ukraine does not count, its just the cover the destruction of the Russian Federation by the US, NATO etc. And because of this ( not Ukraine) they are prepared to fight to the death ( that will be seen,,) for the Motherland, Even Putin, the cause of it all, does not get any blame worth talking about. it's all about the big bad west and the evil US. + of course, that den of iniquity, the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Zico


    Don't demonise Russian people.

    That's how war crimes happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭rogber


    You seem to think Ukraine is going to steamroll to total victory once this counteroffensive gets going. I hope they do, but I think you're wrong. Which is why I don't see much point in making big claims before it even starts.

    Time will tell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,570 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Large reports of UAF attacks East and South with Russia claiming to have destroyed the counter offensive.

    Whatever is the truth, Russia usually lies, the offensive may have begun in earnest.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    More Ukrainian probing, the density of which does seem to have stepped up in the last two days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Lil Fred


    Reports of challenger and leopard II panzer fists having great successes penetrating deep behind Russian lines. Armoured Fighting infantry vehicles mopping up behind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭WheelieKing




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Zico




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://t.me/ASupersharij/20109

    The Armed Forces of Ukraine took control of a part of the settlement of Berkhovka, where units of the RF Armed Forces had recently regrouped

    Screenshot 2023-06-05 101823.png

    This according to Prigozhin, I am guessing that he is telling the truth in this instance.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Premise: Sneaky NATO tricked Russia into invading Ukraine and getting bogged down in a war of attrition because the Russophobic West wants to bleed Russia.

    Solution: Fall into the trap, and keep sending more and more money and troops into Ukraine until Russia (and Ukraine) is ruined, while the West is relatively untarnised.

    Counterpremise: Putin badly misjudged this invasion but refuses to acknowledge same because it would mean stepping down.

    Disproving counterpremise: Anyone who says so goes to jail.

    This is Russian logic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Hmm hopefully not true, would be worrying if the weakest part of Russias defence was able to defend so easy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭rogber


    Let's hope so. The only way to end this thing once and for all is for the rotten Russian political system to collapse and that has to happen from within



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Zico




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,132 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    I'm sure Ukraine will have bad losses at some stage and in some parts of the counter offensive.

    But the fact that Russia claims Gerasimov was nearby (as if he was personally leading the show) makes me think this is either extremely exaggerated or else just completely false.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Things definitely seem to be heating up in the past 24 hours. The fact that the Ukrainians are releasing videos saying that they won't be saying anything at all is a pretty good indicator. That's exactly what happened prior to the Kherson offensive last year. I remember during that offensive the Ukrainians stayed quiet and the movement of the lines had to be inferred based purely on Russian reporting. With the Russians claiming they thwarted an attack in Donetsk, which the Ukrainians aren't commenting specifically on, that phase may have already begun.



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