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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,478 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    These raids into Russia are doing 2 things. Showing yet another red line is bullshit. If Russia doesn't nuke for attacks into Belgorod they won't attack with raids into Crimea.


    They'd also give Putin a way out if he ever gets driven out of Ukraine. He can claim he's successfully won by defending mother Russia and driving the invaders out of Belgorod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,371 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    You can't be a Nazi if you accuse others of being Nazi? Right?

    Russian logic.

    It must sting if you're not a neo Nazi in Russia knowing the dictator head of your country was the handler for the head of a Nazi group in Germany.

    Governance of Putin carries through to today.

    Edit: believe there was a bit of a coffufle in Ireland at the start of this recent invasion of Ukraine with diplomats expelled who had links to IRA and unionist groups. Attended to both camps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Not much signs of any internal discontent that could lead to any civil war ,

    Maybe a few years down the line maybe but not anytime soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    was looking at that, a great development, not only for Ukraine, but anyone using legacy eastern bloc air defences.

    no more "air defence it running out"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    What Russians are before they are conscripted / kidnapped ect, into Putins military is one thing, What comes out the other end is something else entirely. I've lived in Moscow, but mostly in the republics, and the difference could not be greater. Until they get to know you ( All Russians are naturally mistrustful, whatever part of Russia they live in. Not so surprising given their history) after that they've fine, and I'm still in touch with most of them. And recently ( yesterday ) one of them, who nearly tore the head off me back if Feb-Mar last year, because I criticized Putin, has come round almost ( but not quite) 360 degrees. Where she lives has been inundated with Russians fleeing Crimea and the occupied area's in Ukraine. House prices have soared because of the increased demand, and competition for the available jobs has also intensified. Govt services are practically non-existent, and generally prices are rising, so living standards are falling proportionally. This is all on a basic level how ordinary Russians are affected, but now the cemetery's are also showing the results of the war. What she had to say about the Government would blister paint off walls, and while she did not mention Putin directly as in by name, he was definitely included. big change indeed!! The Russians you meet abroad, are generally the more well to do ones, most people in the republics don't ever get out of Russia because that takes money, and that's not something they have too much off. For the majority of them, Ukraine is their first ( and last) trip out of Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    It's nice to hear they are being inconvenienced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Politicians come and go of course, but as I mentioned before, the Military / Defense bosses know 100% what the security situation is, and strategically, they are in for the long haul so their words carry some very heavy weight, not mention the defense contracts, which are seriously big business where the US economy is concerned. Militarily, they are crippling Russia at a cost that is basically peanuts when taken as a fraction the US total defense budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Maybe time to start taking these boys serious......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yup. so much for all the talk about sanctions being ineffective, and only hurting the west etc, They are hitting and hurting ordinary Russians, and now with the proposed new compulsory extra and unpaid working hours directive, it will apply more heat to the pot, creating more internal pressure on the system, until it will eventually explode.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,986 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Rather the biased take. Unsurprisingly so, from Visegrad24. Woe betide anyone trying a little geopolitical statesmanship besides arming Ukraine, instead of just rah-rah-rah’ing against the orcs.

    Macron’s OPSEC speech was far more nuanced, and completely pro-Ukrainian.

    That ‘de-escalation’ he aspires to? It should follow a military victory by Ukraine and then that ‘negotiation’ to be, accordingly, “on Kyiv’s terms”.

    Yup, France and Germany played pals with Putin for too long and too far. They’ve been busy doing their mea culpa since March 2022. On that goes-

    A little unfortunate for the sake of balance, that you left the UK, of ‘London Laudromat’ fame and with a long-ruling political party up to its hair root in Putin’s money still to this day, out of your last post finger-pointing France & Germany.

    Hey-Ho.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Maybe, but they are now participating in the support of a murderous regime and are therefore guilty of same by association.

    Meanwhile: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/01/fear-is-contagious-but-so-is-courage-the-ukrainian-soldiers-training-to-retake-bakhmut

    God speed to them, may they survive as best as possible and kill as many Russians as possible when driving them out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    Why are they burning records ? Why not move them to a safe place , eg Moscow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭.Donegal.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭thomil


    Transporting them to safety might not be possible, especially if there's a risk of imminent capture of the facility in question. In that case, burning these documents is often the best option, although ideally, you'd want to be doing a better job than that.

    The Japanese Embassy burned all of their confidential paperwork before handing over the official declaration of war to the US Government, although famously several hours safter the attack on Pearl Harbour had taken place. Likewise, the US Embassy in Saigon tried to burn as many of their documents as possible before the city fell in 1975, so it's not really uncommon.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Would you say that all of them are willing supporters of Putin? And don't put too much heed in the Kremlin 80% figures. Especially now that the chickens are coming home to roost. There has been problems in the provinces recently when the military arrived to collect their quota of conscripts. All is definitely not well in Putin's alleged paradise, and there's a very big difference between forced and voluntary participation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Does seem to be turning very Hunger Games like. The Capital takes and take, and the Districts have finally had enough.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I don't have any historical reference but I suspect that ,going by the past we might expect the next rulers of Russia to be Ukraine.


    Thing is ,though why would they want Ruzzia's ** problems?


    It feels like there may be a tipping point coming soon,but I can't say what it is going to look like.

    **childish name calling I know.Won't happen again even if they deserve it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Russia has declared an illegal war on its neighbour.There is nothing remotely nice about that.

    That is not a good reason to start pontificating as to the niceness of a whole group of people over another


    We have to take people as we find them.

    I doubt very much if I was living in Russia now I would be feeling very nice to other people.

    The Germans and the Japanese have been demonized for their past actions as a political grouping but we have hopefully got past that now.

    Let's not build up a stigma against Russians who,at the end of the day are ,for the most part as deserving of drawing breath as we are


    By the way I give a free pass for direct victims of the Russian regime to give vent as much rational or irrational enmity and scorn as seems appropriate but we don"t fall into that category thankfully.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,910 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Darth Putin nails it again:

    NATO did 2 things to provoke this war.

    1. Being seen by Ukraine as a better option than Russia is

    2. Actually being a better for Ukraine than Russia is


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    tslarn803d3b1.jpg

    And here's a picture of an elderly woman who lost her daughter and granddaughter in said same strike. I can't even begin to conceive this kind of grief and I hope I never have to. But but but peace now..... we need to negotiate! 🙄

    Ben Hodges spoke again recently and made a good point that I hadn't thought about. The ICC really need to start dishing out more charges for the people behind these strikes. Every single person who inputs a coordinate, who flies a plane and launches a missile. Name and shame them, we know who many of them are. Putin may not care beyond some embarrasment that his life in civilised society outside of Russia is over. He's an old man with a short lifeline and billions of dollars worth of real estate.

    But these operators are not. It's time to hold them all accountable for this. It may shake the bough somewhat when the younger people around Putin realise that they'll be sinking with this rotten ship when it starts taking on water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal



    The Germans and the Japanese have been demonized for their past actions as a political grouping but we have hopefully got past that now.

    Only after both underwent radical regime and political change. Japan is effectively demilitarized and the Germans are basically the experts now at denouncing Nazis.

    Russia is still carrying on with the same KGB at the wheel as ever. Until the KGB and the culture inside Russia that props it up is dismantled Russia will remain a rogue state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Willing or unwilling - what difference does it make if they are supporting this Russian regime and their special military operation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The corrupt culture inside Russia is not going to change while so many people do well out of it.

    It is endemic, hard-wired and ubiquitous.

    Having read a few books on the subject, it's not the FSB and GRU that are keeping it going, it's just become a way of life to be absent of transparency, accountability, laws of business and commerce, to be corrupt in central and local government, the police, the Courts, the military, the civil service, schools and universities, sport, medicine and social care.

    It happened as a rebound against the all-controlling misery of communist centralised rule 35 years ago and really it's the same record, just a different tune.

    Perhaps this catastrophic mis-step of the Putin regime may cause Russians across the social and cultural classes to look more soberly at their core values and way of life, but I doubt it.

    Ukraine will regain its territory to its 2014 borders, Putin will leave the stage and a change will come, that much is certain.

    But I suspect that what comes next may be even worse, rather than better.

    Medvedev, Prigozhin, Kadarov.....none of them would exactly inspire hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    going to need confirmation on this, but huge if true


    DELETED FOR NOW - Cannot verify source

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭vixdname


    As a father of a 9 year old girl myself, this image just tears at my very soul when imagining the utter despair that grandfather must be feeling, not only for the loss of his granddaughter, but also for how bad he feels for his own child who has in turn lost their baby in such disgusting circumstances, all because of the empirical delusions of the high heel wearing, poison dwarf who dwells in the kremlin.

    For this alone, Putin deserves nothing but pain and misery for the rest of his life, and it will come, in one form or another, it will come, I just hope for the sake of all the rest of the children in Ukraine, that its sooner rather than later.

    Utter bastards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Reported that Moldova is opening its territory to the UAF for operations. But only one source reporting on it and no mention from any of the usual reliables.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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