Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660814#Comment_120660814

Lets move you onto a different item re UKR and Russia in a bid to stop you being banned and also to see what you, an irish man, thinks of the treaty between UKR and Russia. Both countries signed up to not invade the other and declare war. Russia first did this in Crimea and again in the rest of UKR last year. Do you condemn that action and what should the Russian courts do to the acting Russian Govt. to rectify this illegal act ?

AerLingus747

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660814#Comment_120660814

Boo hoo hoo

If you don't like the western ideology, plenty of cities who will welcome you with open arms eastwards.

Might even get to meet Steven Segal if you're lucky

Akabusi

Surely we will soon see the Bradleys in action. They seem to be in Ukraine an age and in a big enough number too. I hope they have the same impact they had on Soviet equipment in Iraq.

zv2

...

https://twitter.com/englandcorner/status/1663836103852408832?s=20

zv2

???

https://twitter.com/HustleNlow/status/1663833429107003393?s=20

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661129#Comment_120661129

If its genuine, then good news that within Russia itself there is an active anti Putin, reclaim Russia movement. Every crack in Putins iceflow is to be welcomed.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661260#Comment_120661260

Very hard to believe it is the Ukrainians.

Zico

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661300#Comment_120661300

Ukraine had/has a pretty advanced aerospace industry. Lots of engineers with busy minds. If they're able to source advanced parts and technology who know what they could come up with.

TheRepentent

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660814#Comment_120660814

Posts scutter....gets pulled up on it,crys like a manbaby

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660837#Comment_120660837

More drone attacks on moscow the devils den should be encouraged

Never mind small drone attacks - Ukraine need to be allowed to use longer range missiles to attack Moscow and further afield. The gloves need to come off now.

pcardin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660945#Comment_120660945

asking an orc to condemn these actions will lead to the same result as asking a Cork man to aknowledge Dublin as a capital.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661444#Comment_120661444

The US has come out and said they are against attacks inside Russia. If it is the Ukrainians, expect no repeat of this sort. America defines what's permitted.

It may well be a Russian insurgent group, which would actually be a positive development

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661530#Comment_120661530

What they actually said is they do not condone attacks on Russia and will not allow the use of American equipment. The difference is subtle but a difference there is.

The definition of condone is to give tacit approval, therefore to not condone is not to give tacit approval, they have neither approved or disapproved. Essentially they are saying they do not care as long as no American equipment is used.

Edit

I have just rewatched the press briefing, what they said is they do not "support". Support to my mind is provide active assistance, so still the same, they really do not care.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661444#Comment_120661444

They are allowed, absolutely nothing in international law which prohibits it.

Proportionate lawful retaliation is not only allowed it's accepted, I think it was the British Foreign Secretary that underlined that point when asked yesterday.

They have an "agreement" with the West that no supplied weaponry will be used on Russian soil.

In effect the West are allowing Russia to have escalation dominance, destruction of the victims homeland only. There has never been a steadfast logical explanation for this and even if there was it certainly doesn't exist now.

The mood music will switch on this like it has on every other weaponry they were told they can't have and they eventually got anyway.

They will get them eventually, might as well give it to them now.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661530#Comment_120661530

Putin has assured us that Ukraine is a fictional country.Any attacks from within it on Russia "mainland" should only be considered as an attack of one part of Russia on another.

He has already declared "civil war" if he is to be believed.

By defending itself ,according to his lies and delusion Ukraine is actually defending Russia against a lunatic (master strategist?) Cuckoo in the Kremlin.

astrofool

I would hope that it's Ukraine (well even better would be internal russian resistance) are launching the attacks on moscow, but it's most likely to be the russians themselves in some sort of conscription and keeping protests quiet push.

The pearl clutching that's going on from the russian accounts is funny to watch.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660814#Comment_120660814

I don't think anyone believes you're an "Irishman" given your account history and recent russian trolling occurring after a few other similar accounts got banned.

But your trolling is both pathetic, delusional and funny.

Markcheese

https://youtu.be/gS0873Lxsi8

Probably a few people have seen this , but its an interesting take of the Moscow drone strike ,

So selected a base near moscow , so it'd be visable , the russian air-defence is right next to a motorway , so lots of pics ,

And its in the middle of a really posh suburb so any wreckage hat falls affects the ruling elites

Sigma101

This might be of interest to some. 

Vlad Vexler is a London-based Russian philosopher. In my view, his YouTube channel of short videos is one of the most informative online commentaries on Russian politics related to the war and on how the war is perceived by ordinary Russians. In his latest video below he comments on yesterday's drone attack in Moscow. He explains how depoliticised Muscovites will process the attack and how the Kremlin chooses whether or not to use such events to shape public opinion. 

He believes it's a mistake to moralise about the rights or wrongs of Ukrainian attacks on civilian infrastructure in Russia. Moralising this is an ethical misunderstanding of war. He sees the attacks as neither right nor wrong but as a direct and logical consequence of 15 months of Russian aggression and brutality and of waging an unjust war on Ukrainian territory. He expects that the attacks will become more frequent and more impactful as the war comes back to Russia, limited only by Ukrainian capacity and any constraints imposed by western allies.

Be warned though: if you believe that the drone attack in Moscow yesterday was a Russian 'false flag' operation you may find this uncomfortable viewing. Vexler asserts that you're a victim of 'the gamification of war' and will challenge you to examine if you've stopped thinking for yourself. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RyzLsKOlxI&t=272s

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661649#Comment_120661649

"I would hope that it's Ukraine (well even better would be internal russian resistance) are launching the attacks on moscow, but it's most likely to be the russians themselves in some sort of conscription and keeping protests quiet push."

If I was a Russian civilian in Moscow I would be feeling demoralised,whoever it was.

vixdname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120640067#Comment_120640067

Yep, got to say I agree, Gatling has markedly changed his tune in recent times.

Gatling was pro Ukrainian to the extreme, and I for one often agreed with his positive \ optimistic outlook on how the war was and would progress for Ukraine, indeed some of Gatlings posts were very informative and opened manys the interesting debate on here, along with this hes got in to manys the heated and protracted debates with the more pro Russian or even slightly less pro Ukrainian posters in this thread but theres been a marked an significant change in his attitude and outlook on Ukraine as it now stands in this conflict.

Dont get me wrong, Gatling has every right to have his opinion on any facet of this conflict and to have it heard but as others have commented on here, his comments are markedly less pro Ukraine than they previously were, I thought I was the only one thinking it until I read a couple of other regular contributors express the same opinion.

Wonder why the big change ?

Gatling

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WheelieKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661652#Comment_120661652

I've started taking that guy with a pinch of salt to be honest, if everything he said was true then the war would have been over ages ago.

Zico

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120661756#Comment_120661756

I don't come here very often.

What's the Pro-Russian argument?

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662024#Comment_120662024

What about Iraq/NATO/I don't like America/ehhh covid nuttery/ehhhh I'm a troll and have nothing better to do. Ehhhh Neo Nazis.

That about covers it.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120660814#Comment_120660814

You can challenge the prevailing pro-Ukraine narrative in the thread without fear of a ban if you're willing to back up your claims with credible sources and use reasonable arguments. Posters like timmyntc have managed to do that consistently and respectfully without resorting to the use of obvious propaganda.

vixdname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662024#Comment_120662024

The below would be an example, posted by a recently booted pro russian shill, they post absolute utterly untrue garbage like the below statement in some twisted attempt at sowing doubt in the integrity of the Ukrainians and how theyre getting on in the war - stay they usually come on in waves but in fairness the regular lads and lassies on the thread can spot them a mile away and will call them out pretty hastily before the every watching eyes of the admins boot them.

The Prigozhin videos from earlier this month about running out of ammo, shooting deserting Russians, calling out the Kremlin, etc. will be studied in military colleges for decades to come as a masterclass in battlefield psyops. He lured Kiev’s forces to the Bakhmut trap, killed their generals, and forestalled any counteroffensive.

maxflinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662165#Comment_120662165

Cool! But regarding credible sources....might be an issue there I'd say.

I don't think there are too many on either side given there's an information war happening alongside the actual war.

For example I've seen numerous people on fora quoting The Institute For The Study Of War, using their articles as evidence. Well, it's a propaganda outlet ran by the disgraced Neocon Kagan family, who have hated Russia for decades, whilst pushing for the US to destroy several countries. I've even seen RTE News quoting them🙄

So, credible sources may be a very subjective thing I'd say...

Zico

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662258#Comment_120662258

Thank you for the heads up.

Is your disagreement about the description of the conflict rather than the cause and culpability?

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662277#Comment_120662277

Well that claim in itself is an interesting potential fact. My first reaction to a claim like that is "show me the proof". If you can show that kind of thing without resorting to some blog or twitter account that has a history of pushing falsehoods then that would genuinely add to the discourse.

Zico

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120662277#Comment_120662277

Misinformation isn't spread to change your mind. It's just enough to muddy the waters enough you believe what you want to believe without hesitation.

That can be that you're(not you) just a sad uneducated loser needing to think you know something educated people don't know.

When the AI gets out we are all fucked.