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When did being woke become a bad thing?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It was a demonstration of how group think can influence people to agree with things.

    If you saw it as a one for one comparison that's your problem Robbie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    They’re not the same type of group think are they though?

    One was to deny rights and to demonise a minority and the other is to ensure equality and respect for minorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It's interesting that you feel the need to compare these things. I never said they were comparable but that hasn't stopped another poster from suggesting that is what I did on more than one occasion.

    A reasonable number of people thanked the first post which suggested that, they were too eager to see an outrage where it didn't exist instead of scrolling up and actually reading what I had said which is a microcosm of what's wrong with "Woke" these days. An ill informed rush to judgement incited by people seemingly incapable of comprehending simple language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I know , nor should she, but the wokesters did everything they could to try and get her to apologise, she is big enough to withstand attempts at cancellation and so didn't need to apologise to save her career , a lot of others aren't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    hmmm… she was already ludicrously wealthy and had a very successful career, but I’d say her treatment of trans people has hit her in the pocket still. Which is a good thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    That’s hilarious, because one thing I have found is the “non-woke/asleepeople, (there is no anyonym for “the woke” as far as I can see), is that they are the ones to actually research links before posting them as they are aware that the “unwoke” are cherry pickers when it comes to arguments online, so everything presented by “the woke” has to be pretty accurate.

    I’ve lost times how many times I have corrected right wingers posting lies as they never, ever own up to it. I report the posts, but apparently posting lies and untruths is not against the rules here. Anyway, these posters just ignore any corrections and either drop the point with no reference to it again, or (much less often) try to convince others they’re correct.


    now, what you actually said was:

    The majority of people flip flop and go with the flow of whatever bullsh1t is prevalent in society at any given time. Right now it's being woke, in Germany in the 1930's anti semitism was all the rage.

    Right there you are comparing being woke to being anti-Semitic in Germany in the 1930’s so to say you never said they were comparable is a complete lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    There we go an example of what I'm talking about with the wokesters.

    She doesn't 100% follow the woke creed therefore she deserves to be punished.

    What a pathetic attitude you have , wouldn't it be better for you to just live and let live and respect her right to express an opinion.That is how sensible mature people behave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It would, if I didn’t think her opinion was dangerous. I have trans friends who absolutely have been negatively effected by her stance on trans people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    But they haven't really been negatively affected in reality as she's done nothing against transgender people.

    All shes stated are men and women are biologically different and there should be be places restricted for biological women only (like Rape crisis centres etc) which is a perfectly reasonable stance.

    If people are affected by common sense opinions from a person they do not know that is their own issue.

    Another negative trait of the woke is to exaggerate the impact of fairly normal opinions and become unnecessarily emotive for no reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If you think I was comparing those two things there's not much point in continuing conversing with you.

    I demonstrated how people can be coerced into supporting things, I cited two examples, those two examples were chosen because they are not comparable at all. They are ideologically contrasting situations.

    Clearly the point of what I said was to contrast those two things, not compare them yet you saw fit to overlook that obvious explanation and wade in speaking in what I can only assume you felt was an authoritative manner stating that the opposite was true.

    As for the rest of your stream of consciousness, a more balanced and less obviously partizan take would be to accept that some people on either side of this woke divide can offer poorly though out arguments at times, you had to go for the absolutist version that read like "all these people I disagree with are stupid and can't accept my eminence".

    I appreciate your zeal, however you could benefit from slowing down a touch and giving greater consideration to your arguments going forward. Just a thought.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Out of interest, what form did the negative effects of JK Rowling's stance take on your friend exactly?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Utter nonsense, all of it.

    I demonstrated how people can be coerced into supporting things, I cited two examples, those two examples were chosen because they are not comparable at all. They are ideologically contrasting situations.

    But you did compare them, “Right now it's being woke, in Germany in the 1930's anti semitism was all the rage” There was no clear explanation in your original post that you were describing how people can be coerced into things.

    Maybe next time, use less words and explain a little clearer. It’s a nice day, and your essays are hard to follow.

    The whole point about people being “woke” is that people are becoming aware of injustices and won’t put up with it anymore and are doing something about it, whether that’s boycotting terfs like JKR, or joining in the BLM movement, or recognising that cultural appropriation is wrong.

    That’s not a genie that will go back in the bottle. Unlike anti-semitism in 1930’s Germany, being “Woke” is a net positive as it seeks to protect those that are “different”, and only persecute negative opinions of those who cannot help who they are (black/gay/trans/disabled etc)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If you have trouble following relatively short posts that's you're problem.

    If you can't understand the difference between comparing and contrasting again, that's your problem.

    What you're failing to understand is that "Woke" people consistently misrepresent people and condemn them without thought. You've done the same to me in this thread, you can't understand what I'm saying (because the weather is nice seemingly) therefore I should be subject to your wrath.

    You're entitled to not attempt to understand things if you wish, problems arise when you disregard your own ignorance and then take issue with people for simple concepts you as an adult (I'm assuming you are an adult) who has chosen to engage in a conversation /debate should be conversant with.

    You don't get to say "I don't understand what you're saying so you must be wrong".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    “Wrath”

    rofl



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,967 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    It’s weird how some lads will laud a rabid TERF who calls for “safe spaces” for women, by excluding trans woman, as a hero but they’d lose their sh1t, or scoff, if a hardline feminist suggested a space without men (these people believe trans women are men).

    There’s a lot of hypocrisy, or confusion, going on. The same lads will bang on about #notallmen when a woman is attacked but fully back someone like JK Rowling when she implies that all men are rapists (again, these guys believe trans women are men) looking to prey on women at any moment.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    So what you have said if another woman other than JK Rowling said women's dressing rooms, rape crisis centre etc should be for women and not men you somehow think that men would somehow not support that opinion, despite supporting that exact same opinion when JK Rowling expresses it?

    JK Rowling has never said all transmen are rapists once again making up nonsense to align with your view.

    When people resort to complete lies to back up their argument (as you have just done) it means they don't have a valid point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,967 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    All men. And implied not said. Trans men aren’t “specifically” mentioned but I, personally, would include them.

    I guess it would depend on whether you consider them men. Would be very odd if you didn’t believe a trans woman was a woman but believed a trans man was a man. But, if I’m honest, I wouldn’t be surprised with the levels of hypocritical gymnastics some lads get into to justify their “position”.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,676 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,670 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I don’t believe you. You’re coming across as someone who grossly exaggerates, and takes offence and sees negativity in even the most benign of “offences.”

    Post edited by walshb on


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    Funnily enough at the start of the 1970s being gay might have meant you were sent to a mental institution.


    in 1973....... the American Psychiatric Association made history by issuing a resolution stating that homosexuality was not a mental illness or sickness.

    https://www.hrc.org/news/flashbackfriday-today-in-1973-the-apa-removed-homosexuality-from-list-of-me


    Sorry what was your point though oh right you were trying to use woke as insult and for **** and giggles thought its fun to punch down on people with (checks wiki.......)

    "Psychiatric hospitals, also known as mental health hospitalsbehavioral health hospitals, are hospitals or wards specializing in the treatment of severe mental disorders, such as schizophreniabipolar disordereating disordersdissociative identity disordermajor depressive disorder and many others"


    Oh nice classy post VDG.



  • Posts: 883 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Being woke is bad when your opinion on everything is not back up by your actions.


    That and you having an option and being outraged by anyone else not agreeing with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Sounds like your making up excuses for racism. Most people are not racist but the minority that are should never be allowed to get away with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭play4fun1


    when woke started editing books

    when woke started "cancaling" people/games/movies/music



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Conservatives have been doing that since time began and still are. Are they woke too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Why are you getting angry? Are people not allowed voice their opinion anymore?

    If somebody acts like racism is just human nature I've every right to say that this is a terrible attitude to have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    Posted in error



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Your post is nonsense. Wokester? Wokies? Do you really think these words belong in an adult conversation?

    If you want a definition of racism you can check a dictionary or maybe try using google. Do you always make ridiculous presumptuous about people?

    The poster i quoted seems to think that displaying racism is being human when in fact displaying racism is wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,180 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    That's the thing. The anti slavers would have been described as woke and anti science (If the term woke existed back then). The same with suffragettes, people campaigning for equal pay for women, people campaigning for gay rights etc...

    History has never been kind to the people who opposed the "woke" people.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,092 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Nobody woke did this. Big business and corporations did to make their out dated media more palatable for a modern audience and sell more.

    But as always it's easy to deflect the blame to the 'woke' because the morons and dumb dumbs will fall for it and aim their ire there.



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