When did being woke become a bad thing?

PaoloGotti

I dislike the term, but for me someone that is “woke” is a narcissist that feigns compassion for anyone that is not a straight white male.

nachouser

Don't forget to check for any wokes under the bed when you finish up tonight, folks.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120644718#Comment_120644718

I found 3 blue hairs. I think I should be worried.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120645486#Comment_120645486

As a Brigadier General of the WOKE MOB I'm disgusted.

BLUE HAIRS???!!!! Only RED COMMUNISM HAIRS allowed in this house.

.Donegal.

I see the anti cancel culture crowd is now advocating cancelling north face for having an add with a drag queen saying come out in nature. Make it make sense please.

hkjohn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120644287#Comment_120644287

What science is that then?

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646076#Comment_120646076

How do you cancel a company? Only the government or a judge, or certain bodies like the SEC or the London Stock Exchange, can suspend a company from trading.

I guess you're conflating a pile-on against a person and their losing their job with a bunch of (former) customers boycotting a product.

These corporations exist in a corporatist system facilitiated by net-zero interest rates where their main revenue is from big investors like BlackRock/Vanguard (hand in glove with governments). They are under huge pressure to take controversial pro-Establishment political stands. For displaying loyalty in these matters they get lots of funny money funnelled to them.

If they were totally independent businesses running on a traditional profit model they would run a million miles from any politics, or anything which could strongly displease any demographic, which is what happened in the past.

In the worst case scenario (for them) that one of these companies fails they will be broken up, their assets will be moved around to other big corporations, the senior people given new positions in other corporations and the show will go on.

https://twitter.com/DavidStrom/status/1661363839181398016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1661363839181398016%7Ctwgr%5Ee1d26aa45d832fc26bdf95664465155cf13e53d6%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Fdavid-strom%2F2023%2F05%2F24%2Fthat-backlash-against-target-its-working-n552999

growleaves

If you care about pollution you should already be boycotting all big corporations anyway.

growleaves

What I'm saying in the above comment is that if you can see past appearances and simply follow the money - look at how money is allocated in a corporatist system, - many of these 'private' 'indepenent' companies are more like deniable government contractors.

That is why they push official societal ideology (LGBTQ) in a way that seems to spite their own customers.

If they were reliant on their customers for revenue, would they be engaging in a cultural/spirutal war with these customers?

No of course not.

This is also why 'Go woke, go broke' is wrong. Most of these companies will not go broke. If they do, the assets can be funnelled around and re-distributed. The executives who have been loyal will not be sacrificed, they'll be allocated new jobs. Efficient, successful political systems do not punish loyalty obviously.

elefant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646885#Comment_120646885

My feeling is that the majority of people don't care about a company going/not going woke, and then there are small groups that give a lot more/lot less support to companies that do take concerted ideological positions. I would also guess (maybe I'm wrong and that could well be just influenced by my own social and geographical bubble) that millennial and younger (and wealthier) demographics tend more towards the 'woke' side of the debate, and that alone could be enough for cynical companies to take the risk.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120646834#Comment_120646834

The fools are the idiots who support big corporations because they have man advertising womens swimwear.

It's great marketing and publicity.They rile up people against the company which therefore brings out all the wokesters to say how great the company is (they do this just because they've pissed off their enemies not because they actually know anything) and they've created a bunch of free publicity for themselves and it distracts from the fact that the really don't care about anyone but the wokesters ignore this because this company has pissed off Republicans in America.

The wokesters are being played by big business as they are playing a huge role in helping distract from dangerous corporations yet at the same time they claim to be opposed to damage to environment/society caused by these same corporations they are defending .

nullzero

What grates about "Woke" is the fact that it's just the new accepted norm to acquiesce to all things woke.

In the same way that in the past people were intolerant of any number of groups just because to not do so marked you as different, today's society requires a base level of wokeness for a person to be capable of not being seen to be different.

The majority of people flip flop and go with the flow of whatever bullsh1t is prevalent in society at any given time. Right now it's being woke, in Germany in the 1930's anti semitism was all the rage. Most people are idiots and moreso once peer pressure is involved.

Being tolerant and campaigning for the rights of oppressed minorities is a noble pursuit, where "Woke" went wrong was acting in a manner that apes totalitarian principles so closely that it becomes indistinguishable from them.

Woke now equates to "thou shalt not disagree with me" with increasing regularity. It has become the standard bearer of intolerance which undermines it's very position in the world.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120648912#Comment_120648912

Poster nullzero has posted that being woke is like being anti semitic in 1930's germany.

👆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That has to be parody right nullzero?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120647754#Comment_120647754

What are you doing against big corporations?

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649300#Comment_120649300

I'm not going around saying what a great company they are when they launch a woke ad campaign. I'm not being played like a fiddle like the wokesters are.

It's the self righteouness and hypocrisy of the wokesters and the fact that they can't see it themselves that makes them so dangerous as the useful idiots they are as it's almost religious/cult like behaviour.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649298#Comment_120649298

There was another poster saying being “woke” was reminiscent of the church’s attitudes years ago 😂

Some people think having opinions should be treated in much the same as being born gay, trans, black, etc. as in something that is innate to theirs being and cannot be changed.

I believe that they think that if your opinion changes, it means you were wrong about something, and recognising that shows weakness or makes you a lesser person.

I brought this up before, and so was told that I was being ridiculous. But here’s the challenge, show me someone from the right that:

Made an error in judgement

Recognised that error

Apologised unreservedly

Made some sort of amends (including not repeating the error)

It was pointed out to me previously that no one from the right would do that as the left wouldn’t let it go, so for a bonus point, name someone who did all the above, that the left didn’t let the original error go and still bring it up.

I personally believe you can only grow as a person when you can recognise your own weaknesses, faults and errors you make, and change them. It’s what we teach kids all the time, “It’s okay to make a mistake”.

Galwayguy35

Well lets see, here are some of the home grown woke people we have.

Liam Cunningham.

Holly Cairns

Aodhain O Riordain

Ivana Bacik

Justine McCarthy

Fintan O Toole

Yes its a bad thing.

Quantum Erasure

Could probably put this in 'wokeism of the day' thread, but

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/05/28/free-speech-union-wins-six-figure-settlement-for-sacked-civil-servant/

Ms. Thomas has received a £100,000 settlement from the Government after a three-year ordeal. During that time, she repeatedly tried to raise the alarm about how political activists have infiltrated the Civil Service, including with resources asking employees to “assume” they are racist and the promotion of a jobseekers’ event for the Metropolitan Police that excluded white men.

...

She learned that she was being investigated for misconduct, including allegations that she had said discriminatory things and was causing offence. The investigation included “fact-finding” meetings, where she claims her concerns weren’t taken seriously and investigators were trying to draw out her own politics rather than understand her concerns about political impartiality.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649349#Comment_120649349

Why do you think these people are bad people? Have they ever harmed someone?

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649366#Comment_120649366

Look it would be fine if they weren't trying to push their way of thinking on to other people who have a different take on things to them.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649387#Comment_120649387

But everyone does that, left or right. “Woke” or whatever the opposite of “woke” is, they all do it.

For example, Linehan didn’t destroy his career and marriage by not pushing his way of thinking on to other people who have a different take on them.

People should be able to change opinions, and the only way you can change your opinion on something is if you have been informed.

Its a bizarre take really. It’s why political parties campaign, to change the minds of people.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649442#Comment_120649442

But they aren't just trying to change minds, people who are right leaning and want tougher immigration policies are being labelled far right by these people when they aren't.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649455#Comment_120649455

Example please?

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058297369/when-did-being-woke-become-a-bad-thing

Some anti racists (whatever that even means in this day and age) are more dangerous than those they are “exposing.” They aren’t happy unless they can twist and turn any scenario, no matter how benign into division and hostility

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649476#Comment_120649476

Like who?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649476#Comment_120649476

Sorry I missed something.

Do you not think racism is an issue anymore? Where is this magic utopia?

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649477#Comment_120649477

What do you mean like who? It’s people, in general. Are you looking for names?

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649480#Comment_120649480

Racism is grossly exaggerated today. Racism is a part of being human, whether we like it or not, and the biggest issue is people completely diluting it to include almost any human observation/interaction as being nasty racism.

People desperately wanting to find racism everywhere is the bigger issue, not racism itself.

People are idiots when it comes to understanding and categorising and interpreting what real racism really is.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649462#Comment_120649462

Protests in Clare, its disgraceful how those decent people where treated by the D4 media and some TDs

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120649492#Comment_120649492

I have a brother in law from Africa and I can tell you, racism is nowhere near as exaggerated as you claim. I’ve seen it with my own two eyes, as well as listening to him.

As for it being a part of being human, that is utter deluded nonsense, and has been demonstrably shown to be so with children. Racism is learned behaviour. No one is born racist.