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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    That's quite a lengthy response and the first sentence includes a massive lie- at no point have I said that funding was the "sole reason" for Dublin's success. It is a big factor, for sure, but not the sole one. The rest of your points are nonsense, and cherrypicked and ignores the most important factors- namely, population, funding and home pitch advantage.

    Population- Have more top-tier players than any other county, by weight of numbers

    Funding- Helps identify and bring these excellent players to their full potential, and ensures sides have access to resources above and beyond other teams

    Home pitch advantage- Helps win close games that would be drawn or lost in other venues

    There are other factors, but these are certainly three of the most important, and are inaccessible to any other county, either individually or, more importantly, in combination.

    Leinster (which you try to ignore as much as possible) has already been ruined by these unfair advantages- in 2004, I doubt anyone was predicting that Dublin would win every Leinster until 2023 save one, with increasing ease over the years too. Despite some poor management failing to take advantage of Dublin's unfair advantages currently, the risk is high that this will happen for the All-Ireland too, and even if it doesn't, Dublin are still unfairly advantaged. The championship is in a poor state, with declining interest and attendances- this is mostly down to the decisions made by the GAA from the 2000s to allow the funding and home advantage to persist unchecked, and refuse to split Dublin, as mooted in the early 2000s, as even when they don't win every year, it is obvious to neutral and unbiased supporters that the situation is completely unfair. A 4+ way split now would go some way towards improving the competition, for all counties, including Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Again , your only interested in helping your own County win All Irelands



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Thats quite a lenghty reponse , however you still refuse to admit all your interested in is weakening Dublin with the nonsense of a 4 way split to help your own County win All Irelands , you dont give a monkeys about the Leitrims etc .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I'm interested in increasing fairness in gaelic games and improving the quality of the competition- I have no animosity towards Dublin (and have acknowledged that the current situation is not their fault). As splitting Dublin helps all counties, including Dublin, what am I arguing for is actually beneficial for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Again you are only interested in weakening Dublin, so your own County can win more All Irelands , Dublin is not for splitting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Nobody said money From the GAA was the sole reason but it's a big one. By any metric the GAA unfairly funded Dublin for 2 decades.

    Secondly Armagh receiving the funding Dublin got absolutely would improve GAA in the county which ultimately would help the county team. Fairly brain-dead to try and suggest otherwise.

    On one hand you tell us this money won't help but then you use the East Leinster project to show how the GAA is investing money to improve things.

    Dublin over a decade we're getting about 20 time's the funding most counties got. To have the equivalent of that counties from now on would need to start receiving 20 time's what Dublin get.

    The sad reality is counties can't even get close to parity and yet some idiots think they should just get their House in order.

    If Dublin had 40 clubs, 200k population, crappy funding and didn't play most important games at home you boy's wouldn't win anything. The sad reality is you needed insane advantage's to start winning again. Fair play 👏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    The sad reality is some idiots think that the coming together of an exceptionally talented group of Dublin players around the same time added with one of the best Managers ever was all to do with funding and playing there games at home

    The same idiots blame Dublin for there own Counties shocking decline , " the sad reality is they took there eye off the ball , didnt change with the times and find themselves 10 years behind .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    It wasn't just the GAA funding Dublin, also factor in the government and their sponsors etc.

    One thing that is striking is how contradictory the Dublin supporters' arguments are. They say money makes no difference but then cite the East Leinster project or get irritated when they say it should be reduced. They say as Dublin have more people/ players/ registered members etc., they should get more money but when it is pointed out that on anyone of these metrics they are still overfunded, they stay silent. They say population makes no difference but then say other counties should be split until they are the size of Leitrim. They say Croke Park makes no difference but get irate when it is proposed playing games out of there, even when the capacity is not needed etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Judging Jim Gavin's legacy is very difficult- all he has shown is that with a deck stacked in his favour he can win, it doesn't say anything about how competitive he would be on a more level playing field.

    I think everyone acknowledges they have had great players in recent years though. The population size makes it much more likely you will find 15-30 players of that high calibre, and then the funding helps to develop them to reach their potential. So we see again how Dublin's unfair advantages played a massive role in their recent success.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    So you agree the population size of Leitrim makes it more unlikely you will find 15-30 players of that high calibre ?

    There for Cork , Galway ,Meath Kildare etc should be split also for a level playing field like 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    I had a comment or 2 here some time ago, having a whinge about the unfair advantages that Dublin GAA got. And in fairness, I think we can all accept that the cards were dealt at least a bit in Dublin's favour. I wouldn't mind the population thing, the stadium etc. That's always going to apply It's difficult to have a level playing field in relation to demographics. However, I think it is undeniable that funding was completed skewed towards Dublin, and this was my main gripe.

    In any case, on reflection and having seen what has transpired in the past 3 years or so, I put a huge amount down to Jim Gavin’s management of the team and managing the overall set-up, rather than blaming everything on excess funding. The players are still good – Mannion, Kilkenny, Fenton, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Costello, the Smalls, O’Callaghan. The current manager is just not able to gel a team together to its maximum ability. Any talk of splitting Dublin at this stage is silly. If they don’t get a new manager soon, it’s amalgamating they will need to be looking at!!!  Maybe with Meath!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    What's striking is so called GAA supporters on here , want Dublin split 4 ways , but expect small population Counties ie Leitrim to compete with Counties with several times larger populations , what is also striking is individuals posting on here and not revealing what County they are from , clearly hidden agendas .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    It does make it more unlikely, yes. Some discrepancies in population are tolerable, but the most important thing is the sheer scale of Dublin's population advantage- no other county even comes close to their size, even Cork, which makes it a crazy advantage for them. This has been pointed out repeatedly. That in itself is a problem but maybe it could have been dealt with in a different way. But when you combine that population advantage with decades of overfunding, playing in their home ground etc., we realise that tinkering around the edges won't be enough and more drastic action is required.

    So this is proves my point about a split of Dublin helping all counties- it will improve the fairness and the quality of the competition for all counties, right down to Leitrim. And this improved fairness and quality will also help Dublin, even more so when you factor in how more Dublin players will challenge for Sam Maguire, how Dublin fans will get to see inter-city rivalries develop etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Again a complete nonsense of a post

    1- If Dublin were to split all discrepancies in population would have to be looked at ,and splits and mergers would have to happen , this has been pointed out repeatedly.

    2-A split of Dublin will not help/ improve all Counties , most likely it will help your County " which is unknown" and a few of the bigger Counties ,this has been pointed out repeatedly

    3- A split would clearly weaken Dublin , this has been pointed out repeatedly

    4- Dublin fans dont want to see inter-County rivalries , this has been pointed out repeatedly

    5- You clearly want to weaken Dublin to help your own County this has been pointed out repeatedly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I forgot about those government grants. I suppose it helps having one of the most corrupt taoiseach's ever being a Dublin fan.

    It really broke Bertie's heart seeing Laois, Westmeath, Kildare, and Meath beating the Dubs in Leinster.

    How dare they but he did his best to change it with those government funds and in the process contributed to the ruination of the most exciting province in the GAA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    IMO counties like Leitrim, Fermanagh, Louth, Sligo should be getting more favourable funding the likes of Cork, Meath, mayo, Kildare etc. Now not on the level of a province like Dublin but considering the natural disadvantages the smallest counties have they should be getting the highest help per capita.

    As a former Meath fan I wouldn't celebrate much if we beat a county like Leitrim or think it's impressive for that matter. The same way it's not impressive when Dublin beat anyone. You should be and by a lot at that. What you can't beat Roscommon by 10 points? Need another million a year maybe. Imagine what Roscommon would have beaten you by if they'd your advantages and you had there's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm all for them merging Meath and Westmeath and splitting Dublin in 4 but I'd fear for your lot then. Be too much of a level playing field for you dubs to handle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Ah sure no need for your fear for the big bad ,Dubs, it will never happen 😂🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    1. But if other discrepancies were looked at, all that could realistically happen is that Dublin would be split into an even greater number of teams. Dublin alone are uniquely advantaged so they alone should be split.
    2. Splitting helps all counties because it makes the competition fairer for everyone. Maybe it doesn't help Kilkenny as they don't enter a team but everyone else benefits, including Dublin.
    3. A split would make the existing Dublin team weaker but would enhance the overall game in Dublin across clubs, underage etc. plus also giving Dublin a chance to win things more fairly. It probably does gnaw at their conscience knowing that there is a massive asterisk beside their "successes" in recent years.
    4. Not yet, but give it time. GAA supporters will be proud to support their club teammates. They may whinge for a while but they'd eventually get over it.
    5. I don't want to weaken Dublin (and a split helps them), I fairness in the All-Ireland to be increased.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    1- All descrepancies must be looked at or none at all .

    2 -All your interested in is weakening Dublin to benefit your own County " who ever that is "

    3-A split wouldn't enhance clubs across Dublin the opposite actually and I'm 100% sure they are perfectly happy with what they have achieved.There is no asterisk beside there successes only in the eyes of bitter jealous anti Dublin folk

    4-Dublin GAA Supporters are happy supporting there club mates already thanks 👍

    5-Your not interested in fairness, splitting and merging is the way to go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Just to be clear - are you saying the years of funding, additional resources, special coaching structures, home advantage etc have had zero impact on Dublins performance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Just to be clear , are you saying you don't think a special group of players arrived around the same time along with a great manager had zero impact on winning 8 All Irelands?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭mobby


    You do know you're wasting your time with that lot dunnerc, They despise Dublin, always have always will, would not matter if they split Dublin in 20, they will still have something to moan about. let them off on their ramblings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Did you ever see the clip where hector went to the match with him? I think it was when Westmeath beat you. Tears in his eyes. Probably the exact moment he decided Dublin would be getting million's in government Grant's no other county will get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Good old Bertie 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    1. If all discrepancies are looked at then only Dublin will be split. The gap between other counties is negligible compared to the combination, nature, scale and duration of the advantages that Dublin enjoy.
    2. Not sure how the motivation point is relevant, arguments stand on their own two feet. Regardless, I bear no animosity towards Dublin and don't want to help anyone or hinder anyone- I just want a more level playing field
    3. It would enhance clubs and inter-county by improving the fairness of the competition. There is an asterisk- we saw how tetchy Dublin players and supporters were getting in 2019-20, with endless articles and media appearances trying to claim money/population/Croke park etc. had no impact. Unfortunately the GAA fans around the country saw through these lies.
    4. And more will be able to support more players after a split
    5. Voluntary mergers are fine, mandatory splits of Dublin are necessary though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    It was several groups of great players, not a golden generation. They played their part for sure, but money and population played a part in getting them on the pitch to begin with. We can't judge Jim Gavin given the context, he was too unfairly advantaged to be definitively analysed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    I will be very clear for you - I think Jim gavin, and the exceptional players he had at his disposal, had a very significant impact on dublin winning 8 all irelands.

    But my original question was, do you think the years of funding, additional resources, special coaching structures, home advantage etc have had zero impact on Dublins performance?



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