The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Gael85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120544319#Comment_120544319

They did in league match last year. Cavan did same for AI semi final in 2020 v Dublin.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120543646#Comment_120543646

Yes

StupidLikeAFox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120544089#Comment_120544089

Not sure how much of and issue/advantage the dressing room thing is but it's surely the easiest thing fix. Move to random allocation or alternating.

Having the league games there were a bit of a joke this year and completely discredited the "we need it for the fans" capacity argument. Bring in a rule that if you nominate an alternate venue it has to be appropriate to the crowd size, dublins home matches this year rarely hit 20k so tullamore, nowlan Park, portlaoise etc would have been perfect. Sounds like Dublin fans and players would have no problem with that

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120526745#Comment_120526745

It's very hard to judge Jim Gavin's or Dublin's successes from 2011-20. All it showed that was with a deck massively stacked in their favour (in terms of population, funding, playing at home etc), they could be successful. We've no idea how they would have fared without these advantages.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120552880#Comment_120552880

You forgot to mention the free cars ,free lunches, home refs etc 🤣😂

Trampas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120552880#Comment_120552880

Sounds like football didn’t exist before 2010. A bit like soccer before the premier league

legendary.xix

Advantage Dublin. No surprise. https://www.twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1658551283995889666?t=ARGXNq_OJ1McD3syRtp9fg&s=19

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120605660#Comment_120605660

Dry your eyes lad

legendary.xix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120605873#Comment_120605873

Time for a split? The three counties of Dublin are long-term viable solution for the Leinster championship. Two Dublin counties will sellout Croke Park for a Leinster final. Dubliners are currently voting with their feet by keeping away from predictable provincial finals.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120605948#Comment_120605948

Eh ? actually no thanks

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120605948#Comment_120605948

That is not Dublin's fault it is -

1) An antiquated provincial system not fit for purpose - League a much better competition - provincials should have been killed years ago - the only reason they are still there is because of GAA politics the

2) Former traditional counties Kildare/Meath being mismanaged - given their population - heritage and facilities - there is again only one div 1 team in Leinster

3) Many of the issues above are faced by Muster except it is even worse and more stark - yet we don't hear ANY calls for Kerry to be spilt. The most successful county in the country - the county with the best players by far - in arguably the weakest province

I have to ask why are there calls from posters like you call for Dublin to be split to ostensibly 'solve' a problem - yet there is no mention of splitting Kerry to do the same? I find that very curious.

Dublin are currently a top 6-9 team. Is the idea to spilt Dublin to make Dublin a top 12-18 team? Also would you be willing to accept higher ticket prices for the TWO stadiums Dublin would have to build? Not to mention the creation of administration structures.

Also what happens Dublin hurling? How would it be be workable that one Dublin stays 'united' and one splitting? As the money the DCB earn currently goes back to all Dublin GAA. Which Dublin would fund the hurlers?

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120625753#Comment_120625753

It's not Dublin's fault, it is the GAA's. But while there is merit to getting rid of the provincials, the main issue is the nature, duration, combination and scale of the unfair advantages Dublin have over every other county. Once again, these include population, funding, playing at home etc. Meath and Kildare have underperformed but it must be morale-sapping to know you are playing in a province every year that is unfairly stacked to benefit Dublin.

There are no calls for Kerry to be split because they don't have the advantages that Dublin do. The issue isn't just success specifically, it is the fact that Dublin's success has come from an unfairly advantaged position. If the wins were achieved fairly, then people wouldn't mind.

There is no need for another stadium- they can share Parnell/Croke Park- even if it is not in the geographical region of a specific team, the distances will travelled will be shorter than for many counties.

So we see again why people want Dublin alone to be split, and why such a split would help the GAA in all counties. It would massively reduce the unfair advantages of population, funding and home pitch advantage that are currently concentrated in a single Dublin side.

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630728#Comment_120630728

Population of Dublin always has been the biggest. that isnt a reason for its success. Your refusal to accept that is ridiculous. A lot of the funding Dublin gets is to get more people playing and considering the numbers of those who have never played gaelic or hurling before is higher in dublin then of course the development funding will be high n dublin

Kerry has many other advantages Dublin doesnt have. Dublins success doesnt come from an unfair advantage. And a split Dublin doesnt help GAA in all counties. As has been said plenty times before it would hinder plenty of counties as it would be yet another side ahead of them reducing their chances of making it further in Leinster and then in the all ireland series

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630784#Comment_120630784

It hasn't always been the biggest- Cork had a bigger population at the time of the founding of the GAA. It has generally been the biggest though. If it was just slightly larger than others, it would be fine but Dublin is too much of a statistical outlier for it to be allowed to continue- even without the funding and home advantage, Dublin should be split into at least two teams.

But as I've said before it is the combination, scale, nature and duration of Dublin's unique characteristics that means they are unfairly advantaged. Counties populations vary, for sure, but Dublin's dwarfs even it's closest rivals, never mind the average county. Combine that with now decades of a massive funding advantage from both the GAA and sponsorship partners, and the fact that all consequential games are at home, and you realise Dublin need to be split into at least 4 to mitigate these advantages.

It's been proven that by any metric Dublin have been massively overfunded- you need to just accept this now.

So splitting Dublin helps all counties by making the All-Ireland competition much, much fairer. You seem to say that even Dublin divisional sides can't be beaten by other counties so your "solution" is to instead concentrate all the advantages in a single team- this is obviously ridiculous and even more unfair.

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631178#Comment_120631178

And Cork has had far more clubs for a most of that time. Many areas of Dublin even with huge populations had few or no clubs.

For many games Dublins opponents etc elected to play the games in Dublin n Croke Park.

If you are to split Dublin based on population and funding differences compared to its neighbours then it must also happen to other countes and you must accept that the inter county format must change for everyone in order to make it fairer for everyone in an all ireland competiton.

Splitting Dublin doesnt help all counties as it makes things harder for many counties and is irrelevant to most as well.

A 2 or even 3 way split of Dublin will see 2 or even all 3 sides in the top 16 and that means other counties will lose out. It makes it harder for counties in Leinster to even make latter stages of Leinster. So how are these counties helped by a splt in Dublin?

If so concerned with making the all ireland competition much fairer then you must look at spltting other counties or merging others as just splitting Dublin is hiding from the real answer. That some counties have never been competive in the all ireland competiton or even provincial competitions as they are so asomething else needs to be done and these counties were never competitive with Dublins funding irrevelant to their competitiveness

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631377#Comment_120631377

Dublin has the biggest population and the most registered players- I'm not sure what is confusing to you about this. Even if their opponents' county boards choose to play there, it is still an unfair advantage- this is indisputable. Never mind the All-Ireland finals, semi-finals etc. As I've said before much of the unfairness isn't even Dublin's fault- they just benefit from it but it is often GAA HQ/ other actors who are to blame.

And no, there is no need to split anyone other county. Dublin, and Dublin alone have the unique combination of enormous advantages (including population, funding, playing at home etc.). Therefore Dublin, and Dublin alone should be split. And yes, this would make the competition fairer for every single county as well as specifically massively improving the fairness for of all of the teams in Leinster (by ensuring the advantages are no longer concentrated in a single team). Voluntary mergers can be considered, but Dublin should be split regardless- it's too dangerous for the inter-county game for Dublin not to be split.

Also, your tired arguments have been debunked many times before. The truth is you just don't want Dublin to be split as you either are from the county or support them for some other reason. Rather than desperately trying and failing to find any justification as to why they shouldn't be split, and are not unfairly advantaged, why not approach things with an open and unbiased mind, like I do? The answers will be extremely obvious then.

jack67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630728#Comment_120630728

And what about the poplulation and funding advantage Cork has over Leitrim and Sligo etc ? you see your fooling nobody , all your after here is an advantage for your own County , Anyway your wasting your time , Dublin wont be split 😉

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630728#Comment_120630728

Ah we are back with this old lets split Dublin nonsense , well it ain't happening , but you already know that , god loves a tryer though 🙄

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633485#Comment_120633485

Again the scale of population and funding advantage that Cork has over Leitrim is negligible compared to the scale, nature, duration and combination of Dublin's advantages. As Dublin alone are unfairly advantaged, Dublin alone should be split. What I want is what is best for the game- there is zero animosity towards Dublin whatsoever (and in fact I think they'd benefit enormously from a split themselves, as derbies become big events and more Dublin players get to challenge for Sam Maguire).

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633513#Comment_120633513

Not nonsense, just common sense. It probably won't happen in the short term but either it does or the game dies at inter-county level.

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120635347#Comment_120635347

Ah here thats embarrassing. In no way is population or funding advantage Cork has over Leitrim or the other small counties negligible.

Cork has around 15/16 times the population of Leitrim and a funding advantage considerably more than that

There clearly is an animosity towards dublin as you keep arguing for a split in spite of all evidence shown to you as to why it shouldnt happen or if it is to happen that other counties should also be splt.

You say Dublin would benefit hugely yet every dub who has posted has said that it wouldnt beneft them at all.

ArielAtom

Let’s hinder dublin at the gain of”insert top 4 county team not winning 4 in a row here” it’s funny watching the posters here talking about fairness L, when they really mean, make it easier for my county to win😂😂😂😂😂

StupidLikeAFox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120636985#Comment_120636985

I'd say most people don't really care about splitting up dublin. It's always thrown out as an off the cuff remark but there is never any serious push for it and it has next to no support in any gaa circles.

It would be nice if there was more of a push to even up the resources though, and mitigate against those natural advantages that dublin have

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120635352#Comment_120635352

Absolute nonsense , wont happen long term either , and the game at inter-county level will not die 🙄🙄

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120635347#Comment_120635347

Negligible Corks advantage over Leitrim !! what utter nonsense , again all you care about is weakening Dublin , so your own County can benefit

not gonna happen 😀

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120635400#Comment_120635400

It's negligible relative to Dublin's advantages, which is what I said. That shows how utterly crazy the status quo is in relation to Dublin. There is no animosity at all (and as I've said, the situation isn't even Dublin's fault). No evidence has been presented that Dublin should not be split. Anti-split arguments are muddled, incorrect and contradictory and mostly just put out by Dublin fans. The fact that people refuse to recognise the benefits doesn't mean the benefits don't exist.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120637045#Comment_120637045

Momentum was building for a split after the 2020 championship but tbf it has gone on the back burner for now with their losses in 2021 and 2022. In my view that is wrong, as the issue is not Dublin's success as such, but the fact it is coming from an unfairly advantaged position. So even though they haven't won since 2020, they remain and will continue to be unfairly advantaged so a split should definitely still happen.

dunnerc

Again more bitter nonsense posting, a split should definitely not happen and most definitely won't happen.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120636985#Comment_120636985

It's kinda weird seeing a Dub giving out about other fans wanting it easier to win considering no stone was left unturned to ensure Dublin could. And even after they finally won the advantages got stronger if anything.

I want Meath to play 80% of championship games in Navan.

The GAA to publicly state (clearly letting referee's know) they need Meath to win the AI.

Meath to receive 20 time's the annual funding Dublin do.

And even after the above it still wouldn't be the equivalent of the luxuries Dublin have enjoyed. But the above listed have been gifted by the GAA.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120639851#Comment_120639851

If Dublin won't agree to split they should be placed in a revamped railway cup competition. All these Leinster wins are hollow and tainted but Dublin winning the railway cup would be legit. You still have a bigger population then most provinces but still you'd get credit.