Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Yeah, it's blatant misogyny.

How do you propose I check to be sure I’m listening to what you call a biological woman?

(as an aside, I’d be fairly certain they wouldn’t know what I was talking about if I ever referred to any woman I know using those terms)

If anyone made the same claim you did, they’d still be mistaken, doesn’t matter whether they’re a man or a woman -

Remember: nobody in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, up until about 4-years' ago, argued that biological males should compete in women's sport. I thought this was supposed to be an obvious right? But no, we only heard about it 4-5 years' ago. That alone should ring alarm bells.

Where else has this happened?

In this case the people who weren't at the podium indicated to the contrary it wasn't any form of protest?

I’m not missing the point at all, unless you’re suggesting that you’re acting on some authority that I’m not aware of that you can declare something to be so and everyone else must comply? I’m not sure you’ve thought that one through…

But for what it’s worth, a few examples for you to consider-

Unlimited broadband

Australia in the Eurovision

World Series in baseball

Women’s events / Men’s events

A vegan restaurant that sells steak can call itself whatever the fcuk it wants -

https://www.totallyveganbuzz.com/food/vegan-restaurant-meat-business/?amp

I don’t have to square any circle, because I don’t have an issue with it. You do have an issue with it, in spite of being fully aware that all competitors agree to the competition rules and nobody is competing under duress (well, maybe the Russians, Chinese and Americans… I’m kidding!)

plodder I think you missed the point somewhat. rapidash is essentially claiming that individuals or organisations are not free to refer to themselves however they wish. It’s why I asked rapidash under what authority were they acting that they would make such a statement, and everyone else must comply.

My point wasn’t to delve into the nitty gritty of misleading advertising, the origins of the terms, the quality of any particular product or service or anything else. It was simply to demonstrate that in spite of rapidash’s declaration, other people are not required to adhere to or to adopt their standards or naming conventions.

Everyone of course maintains the right to make a complaint to an authority, and I’m not going to comment on your individual case, it might help to be aware that Veganism is a protected belief under the Human Rights Act in the UK, and I would support action to introduce similar legislation in Ireland. I don’t share their philosophy, but they are entitled to be treated fairly, as equals, as opposed to experiencing prejudice, discrimination and exclusion from others who do not share their values and would seek to undermine and humiliate them, creating that unpleasant experience for people like your OH. As a jumping off point which might help -

https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/09/mum-used-human-rights-act-to-get-school-to-serve-vegan-food-8019928/

Similarly, the same principles apply to people who are transgender. I don’t share their philosophy or their beliefs, but they are entitled to be treated with equal dignity and respect as I am. If an organisation claims to promote the values of dignity and respect for all human beings, then to turn around to a group of people and say “ehh, we aren’t referring to you!”, then inarguably that creates an unpleasant experience and hostile atmosphere for those people.

It’s why for example Chris Mosier had to check with the IOC whether or not they were eligible to compete in the men’s events. Chris Mosier’s participation in the men’s events does not mean that the IOC is under any obligation to change the name of the men’s events to whatever rapidash determines as they can no longer be named men’s events. As a global organisation, they’re probably not called the men’s events in other languages anyway, but the point being that rapidash simply doesn’t have the authority to demand that the IOC, or anyone else for that matter, conform to their standards and expectations.

No, I was simply demonstrating that nobody is required to conform to rapidash’s standards, and giving examples which demonstrate the point. It’s why I suggested they clearly hadn’t thought it through.

Of course the examples are relevant because equally as you claim they are males competing in women’s sports, they are entitled to claim they are women. You demonstrated the point yourself earlier when you used the examples of Caitlyn Jenner and Renee Richards support for your opinion as being worthy of consideration, and I’m not sure it occurred to you that a plausible explanation for their positions is that they are saying what they believe a woman should say! It’s why I made the point that it’s unlikely we ever would have heard of Jenner in the first place if they had admitted they were transgender when they realised they were transgender -

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Entertainment/bruce-jenner/story?id=30570567

I’d known of Jenners achievements long before it became public knowledge that they are transgender, because I was aware that Jenner had previously given interviews where they explained that their participation in sports gave them opportunities they felt they wouldn’t have because of them also being dyslexic -

CC: You flunked the second grade? Wow that's rough. Did things turn around for you?

BJ: In the fifth grade I discovered something I could do better than the other kids. One day the teacher set up a bunch of chairs, and she had everyone run to the chairs and back while she timed us. I had the fastest time in the whole school! That was the first time I had ever really accomplished anything in school. Everyone was patting me on the back saying, good job Bruce! I liked the pat on the back. So all of a sudden sports became very intriguing to me. It became important especially later on when I was a little older. I would show up on the football field and challenge a guy who was a good student, good reader, and BOOM! I'd clean his clock! I said, boy, I like this, this is fun! I could do it better than most of the other kids in school. So for me sports became my little niche in life. 

https://www.abilitymagazine.com/jenner_interview.html

If anyone were to argue that people with dyslexia shouldn’t be permitted to participate in education, you should be able to immediately see the issue. Similarly, when people argue that people who are transgender shouldn’t be permitted to participate in sports in accordance with their preferred gender because it doesn’t suit the person making the argument, and those people don’t conform to that person’s standards, I would hope you’d see the issue there.

The relationship between them is that similar arguments as those presented here have been made to argue for the exclusion of people with dyslexia from mainstream education - unfair on the other students, or the idea that they have extra time in exams, etc, ignoring the reality of the situation.

Similarly, there are people who expect other people should have to do what is biologically impossible in order to validate that person’s perception of reality, what they refer to as common sense, as though argumentum ad populum were ever a legitimate argument.

The critical factor which people keep leaving out, is that the people who we are referring to, while their sex is male, their gender is not. 

It may be being left out because a lot of people don't think that gender is relevant when deciding what category a competitor should compete in. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any research which says that gender is more important in determining the relative strengths of people than sex is.

Also, while the feeling of being transgender is not a choice for an individual, it is a choice to undergo a medical transition. If a transwoman says that they feel they are a woman, but chooses not to medically transition, they are eligible to compete in men's competitions. They are being excluded from competition for their choice to take a certain combination of medication.

I don’t mind giving people the benefit of the doubt that they misunderstood my point whenever they do, but at this point it’s become obvious that you’re intentionally misrepresenting my points in order to try and undermine my argument.

At no point have I ever suggested that we should go back and make no accommodations for dyslexia. The point I was making is that because Jenner struggled academically, they did not have the same opportunities in education as other students (dyslexia wasn’t as well understood at the time as it is now), and sports provided them with an opportunity to excel in something. Had they admitted at the time when they were a child that they were also struggling with their gender identity (also not well understood at the time), by today’s rules in sports they would be excluded from being eligible to participate in accordance with their gender.

They don’t have to worry about the impact of their opinions on others though because they’ve already had the opportunities they would wish to deprive others of, in order to be validated by people who would seek to humiliate and undermine them in a heartbeat. I really didn’t imagine I would need to explain that the outcomes for people with dyslexia who do not receive support are not good, and using anecdotal examples of people with dyslexia who have done well for themselves does not invalidate needs of millions of people with dyslexia who need those supports. Similarly, Jenner does not invalidate the needs of thousands of people who are transgender who need the supports.

None of that even touches on the lack of support for women’s sports, which needs far greater support than it gets already, regardless of however much support men’s sports receive. Excluding biological males who are transgender from women’s sports does nothing to increase the participation rate of women in sports, and there is no evidence that it decreases their participation in sports either. The anecdotes which have been circulated by the media have been circulating after the fact, while coverage of women’s sports hovers around 4% of all coverage of sports, in spite of their 40% participation rate.

Does that not scream selection bias to you?