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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,355 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The database was on a server on a German IP address (within the EU). Don't know if the SocDems had any such approach as it seemed to be a rather naive party for a while. The larger parties tend to be more professional in terms of election data. FF bought a copy of the marked register in 1999 but that was back when they could afford the likes of Blue State Digital (the same company that worked with Obama) to advise them. There was a lot of very muddled reporting on the Abu issue and many of those commenting in the media did not understand domain names, webhosting or databases.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The soc dem boost in the last poll is entirely down to the coverage associated with the leadership change. The question is if they can sustain that, because they have seen a drift of support to them on the back of no policy announcement. That support boost is likely to be extremely soft.

    Cairns is a good media performer and clearly something of a darling to the media especially the IT. She's got it fairly soft from the others as well - so that will work in their favour.

    We have to remember though that we are still mid cycle. When the big three get into election gear the small parties will get squeezed. If we get a government collapse though and SF are caught flat footed then they could do better than they did last time out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,355 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The hard part is separating the new leader boost from increased SocDem support and it definitely is just a single poll. I think that there is a B&A poll this weekend or next. That might give a more reasonable estimate of FF support and show if they've managed to find any increase in support for the SocDems. B&A uses face to face polling whereas Ireland Thinks and RedC use online polling.

    It isn't just the IT. RTE and the Sindo have suddenly turned very pro-SocDem and Cairns is very well able to speak in soundbites. That "Fianna Fail values" thing yesterday would be devastating for FF it was used as a slogan on an election poster with an image of a poor homeless child having to eat their dinner on the street. To the media, it seems that the SocDems have just become the new Labour party but without the baggage.

    There are reports of a vote being forced on the eviction ban when the Dail resumes after the St Paddy's day break. Some government TDs may be worried about their seats if they vote with the government and others will be hoping that the government survives.

    Ironically, it is partially in the best interests of the government for an early GE before the SocDems or other parties have their candidate selection done. The problem with the opinion poll %s is that the real shifts only become apparent in the last few weeks before a GE when the intentions of voters crystalise. An angry electorate is a very dangerous thing as Labour and FF/FG found to their cost and they will want to avoid a GE if at all possible. This is what makes such a motion interesting.

    Regards...jmcc

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,703 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    4% in the latest Sunday Times poll. That's up 2% from the previous iteration of that poll but nowhere near the 9% from the Sunday Independent poll two weeks ago. There will probably be a Red C poll out next week. If that's also under 5% then it'll be safe to say that the 9% was an outlier.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,355 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It is B&A and it uses face to face polling. Ireland Thinks uses online polling and the age demographics for SocDem support are concentrated in the younger demographics who have mostly grown up with online voting. The older demographics often don't like online voting so it puts parties like FF and Labour with older supporter at a disadvantage. RedC is different to other pollsters in that it uses online polling from a panel of 40K voters that it things represents the electorate. It alsowasy underestimates FF support. Two things might happen with the RedC poll. The SocDems could show an increase in support and FF could, based on that 4% loss in B&A, show a decrease. the problem with the B&A poll is that it was run between 04 March and 14th March with the decision on the eviction ban beiing taken on the 7th. It is almost a combination of two polls as a result. The RedC one will be a post-eviction ban decision poll so there could be a backlash against FG and the Greens as well as FF. Then again, there could even be a shock GE on the way this week.

    The Ireland Thinks poll showed the SocDems more than doubling their support. The B&A poll also showed the SocDems doubling their support. They use different methodologies so it is best to think of party support in terms of a range of values rather than a specific value.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    For those of us without a subscription, care to give a synopsis?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,978 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Ellie Kisyombe, a 2019 LE candidate for the Soc Dems, has accepted a caution for a charge of assault against a Ukrainian worker at the reception/DP centre she was in in February 2019. So the assault was before she ran for them.

    I would expect (and indeed hope) that they weren't aware of the potential charge; and I suspect she will not be running for them again anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,522 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Come on, do really want us to trawl through the internet to find candidates and maybe even elected representatives from other parties who have a less than illustrious CV ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭circadian


    Thanks for this, I'm pretty sure I was subject to voter fraud a few years back. I'll hit them up and see what they've got.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-40294387



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,383 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Cairns must be getting a sniff of an election around the place, she's very busy most days now reading her carefully prepared statements.

    I reckon she would be eaten alive in an election debate when she won't be able to just stand there and read something that was typed up for her earlier on in the day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,798 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Have you ever seen Enda Kenny debate? And he had 20 years to prepare.

    Simon Coveney is the current FG equivalent. He can only trot out previous learned off statements.

    As for Martin, he just stalls and repeats and then he answers a different question to the one posed.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,383 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Like I said we will see how she gets on when it's time for the election debates.

    It's easy to stand up in the Dail and read a prepared script.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,183 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Cairns has performed fine in any interviews I've seen. When asking a question in the Dail of a Minister, it has to be quite specific, otherwise the Minister will evade answering. Can't be asked off the top of your head.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,383 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    She isn't able to look over at the person she is questioning for more than 10 seconds without putting the head down again and going through the notes in her hand.

    You will see just how good she is when its GE time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭Northernlily




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭Augme


    I've always found the idea thst the best way to judge the quality of a head of government was in the quality of their debating skills as being absolutely bizarre.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,183 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Great natural speakers are rare, the legendary John Kelly and Mary Harney are two that come to mind. I think someone also mentioned that Michael McDowell was arguing a point of law in the Supreme Court and went through it point for point over four hours without notes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,383 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Lol look at this fella jumping in to defend a politician.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,522 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The student debating societies played a big role in preparing nascent lawyers and politicians for their future roles.

    Harney was auditor of the Hist in TCD and McDowell a leading light of the L&H in UCD.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    McDowell was a man full of a barrister's rhetorical tricks and verbal sleights of hand. That occupation is half-theatre.

    One of my friendship circle is a barrister, and by-f*ck after a few jars does his barrister shitehawkery come out to play. He'll seize on a particular point or line of thought, bloviate and tapdance on it like Fred Astaire until your only option is to retreat to the smoking area for a fag, whether you smoke or not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,522 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    A high degree of self regard is obligatory for success in that profession.

    In fairness you could sell tickets to hear McDowell in full flow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,183 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    What she raised was a point often missed. It was FG and it free market tendencies that would more than any other party stopped building social housing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,355 ✭✭✭jmcc


    She's photogenic and the SocDem support is concentrated in younger demographics that the media all want as "consumers". The SocDems may also be the recipients of the Anyone But SF vote rather than Labour as Labour is very much a busted flush after the Water Tax scam. RTE had been a bit pro-Labour but that was when Labour was a major party. News organisations know that an article about Cairns is more likely to get interest than an article about Bacik.

    As for Varadkar, she made him seem like heartless and nasty on the evictions ban decision and the Housing crisis. FG was on 15% support in the most recent poll and the SocDem support was holding steady at 4%. With such positive media coverage, the SocDems could begin to gain support at the expense of Labour and perhaps FG, the Greens and FF. The soft floating vote decides GEs in Ireland and the actual party support is much smaller than the support levels in opinion polls suggest.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,383 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Cairns got a bit of a dressing down over on Twitter by her own side for not being woke enough when talking about whats happeneing in Clare so rather than stick to her original speech she had to come out and paint the locals as the bad guys.

    The libs are like a pack of wolves when they feel one of their own has stepped out of line a bit and will turn on them in an instant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    "The Libs" have a tendency to have a higher bar on what they'll accept from the representatives than the other side. Without links, I can't comment further as I have no idea what you're talking about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭cal naughton


    Lacks the courage of her convictions and gave in too easily when she seen what way the wind was blowing. Not a good sign as a leader.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    It's difficult to get the messaging right for this stuff as leader.


    You've got to please the local voters in the constituency and then you've got to please the Dublin media and activist types too.


    Catherine Murphy doing a much better job at Ryevale house out in Leixlip than the far right in Inch.

    Planning issues etc etc, trees cut etc etc, local concern etc etc

    "The house was due to be used to house up to 80 Ukrainian refugees, that will now be halted."



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR




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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,114 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    11 'kind ofs' in one short interview

    Kind of a record, sorta?



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