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AerLingus747 · 12-05-2023 04:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588078#Comment_120588078

"they be telling it like it isss...not like thems lying dimicrats"

zv2 · 12-05-2023 04:17PM

Putin: If you leave bananas out for a while they get dark spots, right?

Shoigu: Right.

Putin: Cars have steering wheels on one side, right?

Shoigu: Right.

Putin: So they're trying to destroy Russia, right?

Shoigu: Right.

Polar101 · 12-05-2023 04:22PM

https://twitter.com/tankiemilk/status/1657032725331693570

According to the internet, Ukraine pulled troops away from Bakhmut in August 2022.

12-05-2023 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588114#Comment_120588114

That is a fact for now,but not the 2% isnt all if actually read it,and the deadline is 2024,and the invasion of Ukraine have made many increase their spendings.

Modernising your defence forces costs money too,and buy new equipment,part of the 20% spending.

Look at how many countries have bought F35,Norway F35 ,new leopard2a7,new K9 Thunder artillery,Finland F35,Patriot system

Netherland new cv9035,Germany new Puma ifv etc etc

Like i said read it again

Francie Barrett · 12-05-2023 04:29PM

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/85530

After the publication of the map, another video message from Yevgeny Prigozhin was released: the head of the Wagner PMC once again accused the Russian Ministry of Defense of the collapse of the front.

We do not know for what reason the section of the front was abandoned, what kind of contingent was occupying the defense there, and why, after a light shelling, the whole unit retreats, and does not hold the position. Usually as a result of just such a “retreat” people die even more.

I wonder is this an attempt by the Ukrainians to try and draw in some more of the more capable Russian units to defend this area. It's pretty clear that the 72nd Russian brigade (who are supposedly to be raw) are struggling.

zv2 · 12-05-2023 04:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588140#Comment_120588140

It may be that the incursions north and south of Bakhmut are intended to protect this retreat. Hard to tell.

Gatling · 12-05-2023 04:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588153#Comment_120588153

And yet it didn't change

12-05-2023 05:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588270#Comment_120588270

Like i said,very stubborn

No use telling someone that cant handle truth

Just going to repeat the same all over again to make an idiot out of yourself

Good luck

12-05-2023 05:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120587049#Comment_120587049

That's a crudely edited picture.

The source is a speculative blueprint of the Kinzhal from several years ago link , the original image portrays a two-stage missile. In the past days someone has crudely pasted a "thing" in the shape of the supposed Kinzhal wreckage into this blueprint, where the second-stage motor and fuel tank previously were.

From an engineering perspective it simply makes no sense.

I keep an open mind about whether a Kinzhal was intercepted or not. The photos and testimony are not convincing, but on the other hand it is certainly not impossible to shoot one down (merely difficult). Over the course of a long war I would expect some to be shot down, for sure.

The main thing is whether they can be consistently shot down, that's something we won't know for a time.

Dohnjoe · 12-05-2023 05:40PM

Two strikes on some sort of factory or military facility in Luhansk city, thought to be Ukrainian cruise missiles.

Also Ukraine appears to have just reversed 2 and a half months gains by Russians in Bakhmut.

Christy42 · 12-05-2023 05:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588194#Comment_120588194

They are protecting a retreat from 9 months ago? What is next providing cover fire for troops in the 100 years war?

farmerval · 12-05-2023 05:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120586112#Comment_120586112

All winter it's felt like there was two wars going on, Russia throwing men and equipment forward to make some kind of gains to crow about, and Ukraine sitting back and making every inch conceded incredibly costly. In Bakhmut and Adivka Russian losses for almost zero gains have been horrific.

All the while Ukraine continue with their policy of hitting Russian ammunitions and fuel supplies, continuously hitting the means to wage war. The other obvious piece is that outside of Wagner, Russian forces are absolutely useless. What they threw at the Ukrainians around Adiivka and failed to gain any advantage was shocking.

I believe that Ukraine will play games with the Russians for a little while, make small scale attacks here and there. Drag the Russians around and look for soft spots, attack and encircle, limit head on attacks. Once they have the Russians under pressure then the real attacks will begin.

Gatling · 12-05-2023 06:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588312#Comment_120588312

Poland went and spent a fortune this year but guess what it's only amounts to around 3% of gdp .

Your lack of understanding is hilarious

Wolf359f · 12-05-2023 06:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588318#Comment_120588318

If a missile had the capability to carry multiple warheads, does it not make sense that the rocket/missile would be generic to all and all that changes is the actual warhead?

Plenty of photos of what was shot down, some say a kinzhal warhead is in the picture, some disagree, but they can't actually state what the warhead belongs to.

Can you?

You claim the diagram is from a 2 stage missile, any idea what the missile is in that diagram? It may help shed some light.

The 'thing' wasn't wreckage, it was the supposed warhead.

Gatling · 12-05-2023 06:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588397#Comment_120588397

They seem to be using Long range decoys too along with whatever was used in today's strike...

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1657067203911647233?s=20

zv2 · 12-05-2023 06:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588418#Comment_120588418

I'm saying this if the recently posted (https://twitter.com/tankiemilk/status/1657032725331693570?s=20) exit from Bakhmut is true. But it is too early to say.

zv2 · 12-05-2023 06:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588397#Comment_120588397

https://twitter.com/ManojKu40226010/status/1657074618174406656?s=20

...

joseywhales · 12-05-2023 06:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588340#Comment_120588340

821 billion of which is us apparently. The %gdp really distorts the picture in my opinion.

Dohnjoe · 12-05-2023 06:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588318#Comment_120588318

Initially I was skeptical, but OSINT have been comparing this stuff, and the "core" warhead plus other sections (e.g. the fin) are really starting to look like they came from a Kinzhal. The flipside is, no one can identify what it alternatively is, except for similarities to a dumb munition, which would have been odd since it was recovered in Kyiv. Also, the Pentagon have confirmed it - if it's easily disprovable then that's egg on their face.

The KH-47M2 is still a ballistic missile, and reportedly part of it's flight occurs at Mach 2 or 3, which puts it into the scope of an anti-ballistic system like the Patriot.

Not 100%, but leaning towards Kinzhal for the moment.

Wolf359f · 12-05-2023 06:43PM

We've had a poster state the kinzhal missile is just a ballastic missile but state a patriot system cannot shoot one down. 🤷‍♂️

When confronted it's a debate about PAC-2 vs PAC-3 missiles used🤷‍♂️

SteHam · 12-05-2023 06:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588522#Comment_120588522

You seem to have a very hard time admitting when wrong.

The majority of Nato countries or the Eu have not increased their military spending,

Why ???

The Eu and Nato countries will move on and won't see Russia as any threat after what they have seen in Ukraine,

Life will eventually move on this is the EU

That was your claim starting all of this. This has proven to be completely false so you are wrong. It does not matter how much you want to twist and spin, you are still wrong.

Overheal · 12-05-2023 06:48PM

https://theaviationist.com/2023/05/10/kinzhal-vs-patriot/

Take that for what it is.

I could see how if you could detect it and it was coming near or right at you the PMS would have the chops to intercept it, however by the skin of its teeth that might have been.

Questioner: I just wanted to double check, you did confirm that a Patriot downed this Kinzhal missile?

Gen. Ryder: Correct.

Questioner: Did I hear that right?

Gen. Ryder: Correct.

Questioner: Was this a U.S.-provided Patriot or one from the Dutch or Germans?

Gen. Ryder: Yeah, in terms of those kinds of operational details, I’d refer you to the Ukrainians.

Questioner: You can’t confirm if the U.S. Patriots are now over there?

Gen. Ryder: The U.S. Patriot is over there.

Questioner: It is? So you’re confirming that …

Gen. Ryder: I’m confirming U.S. Patriot system is in Ukraine, but in terms of which specific battery they employed, whether it was a U.S.-provided, Dutch-provided, I’d refer you to the Ukrainians.

[…]

Questioner: Also, I just had a quick follow-up on the Kinzhal. Is this the first time or the first intercept of a hypersonic missile in combat? And do you have the date of the intercept?

Gen. Ryder: I don’t, and again, I’m not going to get into the specifics or trying to characterize it, other than, again, to say we can confirm that the Ukrainians took down this Russian missile with a Patriot missile defense system.

nacho libre · 12-05-2023 06:58PM

What a cluster **** as the yanks would say. The Russians spend months making minimal gains in Bakhmut, then in the space of a day or so the Ukranians make 3 kms. I think the head of Wagner knows his outfit is being set up to be the fall guy for Bakhmut. I think some in the Russian MOD now want Ukraine to win in Bakhmut to weaken Prigozhin for good. Vladimir himself might want this too. I also believe that things are going to reach a tipping point in Russia by the end of the summer. It maybe that those close to Vlad will try to oust him by that stage.

Overheal · 12-05-2023 07:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588666#Comment_120588666

You say fall guy and I just think

Which you know, completely tracks Russia.

briany · 12-05-2023 07:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588454#Comment_120588454

The Russians must have an actual fetish about sustaining heavy losses for minimal gains, like it's a badge of honour, like abject suffering is the only real way to live and get things done. Well, they've been getting their wish in this war. Their army has only moved forward in one spot since the end of last Summer, and those gains have been metres per day over eight months. It's pathetic. You know it would wound Putin deeply if Ukrainian forces were able to reverse those hard-fought gains in Bakhmut within a short amount of time. A stinging psychological blow.

12-05-2023 07:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588525#Comment_120588525

The diagram - in it's original form - was a speculated blueprint of the Kinzhal, several years old. (It's not a real blueprint for obvious reasons.)

When it was apparent that whatever fell was too small to be a Kinzhal, someone (for whatever reason) crudely doctored the original diagram to put something of the approximate size and shape inside the diagram. It fooled some less technical posters. From an engineering perspective however it is absurd, you can't just put something where an engine and fuel tank would be and say "see, it fits".

I don't claim to identify what was photographed. I don't claim any great knowledge of the Kinzhal, certainly not what it looks like inside. I view the claims with skepticism. But I don't discount the possibility that one was shot down.

On this topic I see many people with little knowledge of missile construction (or engineering in general) confidently identifying things they haven't got a clue about, or pulling random doctored photos off twitter to prove one another right/wrong. It's unproductive.

Dubh Geannain · 12-05-2023 07:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588397#Comment_120588397

Really interesting news of a Friday evening. A direct hit on target outside of himars range with the help of a long range decoy.

Gatling · 12-05-2023 07:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588719#Comment_120588719

Remember they have different munitions could have been JADAM too ,

Dohnjoe · 12-05-2023 07:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588705#Comment_120588705

I agree the blueprint scales must be off, but the engine and fuel are in the normal places, with the warhead at the front, looks easily small enough to fit in the front section outer shell, not sure I get this point?

Also let's say this is a piece of propaganda by Ukraine, why wouldn't they just fabricate a Kinzhal nose cone? Why would they go to the effort of creating something that doesn't look like the outer part of the missile?

There's a third possibility that it's an Iskander warhead, and so is the one found in Sept last year, but having seen some limited pics of Iskander warheads, they don't appear to match up.

Gatling · 12-05-2023 07:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588620#Comment_120588620

Taking the last few sentences the actual video was posted a few days back,

Which is exactly what was said,

But the story has now dropped off it's gone from patriots intercepted a kinzhal and a few individuals trying to doctor the evidence to support it,this all started on a single social media account and got rapidly parroted around as fact where it couldn't be challenged because people became instant experts on a missle that's not hypersonic as claimed and the patriot missle systems,

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