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Are the English royal family the greatest scam ever played?

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well that's a daft way of looking at it.

    You would have to break it down into what people do when they visit the country.

    France is both a sun holiday country and a winter holiday country, plus has a world renowned capital city.

    So people going to France would probably go for the sun, beaches etc and the skiing, as well as Paris

    England only has the city.

    So it's no surprise that France gets more tourists.

    The real question is "what do people go to see when visiting England/UK"

    I'd bet the royal castles and things to do with the royal family would be high on the list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Was it Benjamin Disraeli who said '' there are lies, damned lies and statistics. Statistics are constantly used & abused to try to confirm, substantiate & verify even the weakest of arguments 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I remember hearing that and then hearing that the french actually make more from their castles and chateausd than the UK do. And look at whet the french did to their royal family. :)

    You don't need the actual royal, just the trappings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Seems to me that you could keep the castles which are an asset and ditch the royals who are a burden.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Tell that to the hoteliers and businesses of London who have hundreds of thousands visiting there this week alone because of the Coronation.

    Little Micky D the multi millionaire socialist leprechaun sponger just does not cut it when attracting the tourists, no Carrolls Irish Gifts shop has his ugly little picture on it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So no evidence then. Just nasty little comments.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think the tourism point is a very dangerous one for a monarchst to make. Alton Towers makes money as a tourist attraction too. And when it stops making money it will be shut down and sold for scrap...

    Post edited by El_Duderino 09 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    France has winter sports eg skiing. It is also within driving distance of many European countries. France also has better weather. Not comparable with UK, which is also a smaller land mass.

    Spain, Norway, Belgium, Holland, Sweden, Denmark etc all have monarchies too : the UK just does it that bit better than those countries.


    Poor auld Micky the multi millionaire socialist we allow live in luxury at our expense up in the Aras has not a look in, not one tourist would come here because of him. If we could dress him up a a leprechaun and charge gullible tourists a tenner a go for a selfie with him in temple bar, now you are talking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I see where you're coming from but I'd disagree. Alton Towers is one of many theme parks. There's only one Buckingham Palace, one Balmoral, one Sandringham, one Windsor, etc... That said, it's not like tourists pay to meet the royals. They pay to see the palaces which are unique and will be preserved for their historical and cultural significance.

    The tourist revenue argument has never made sense to me. The Queen may have been a big part of the UK's global brand but right now, I'd say they want the royals less involved in that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Howitzer the 5th


    *British Royal Family



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I don't know how they measure the royals as a tourist attraction. I remember hearing they survey tourists and potential tourists and ask what they look forward to seeing in the UK. Or what they know about the UK and what they would like to see of they travelled. So I'd say they're fairly speculative about the revenue they actually get from tourists coming to see the Royal estates.

    But what happens when those foreigners stop saying they're looking forward to seeing the royals in such numbers? Do they still keep them as part of their structure of government because they're a tourist attraction?

    Having a royal family as part of government as a tourist attraction is mad, in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Some people change as they get older , and as with Nick Cave you'd wonder if they ever had a principled thought in their heads in their youth , or was it just bs trotted out for interviews.

    In comparison , Robert Smith would not be impressed with an invite , but he probably won't get one after this from 2012 😊

    ...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    And we don't have to bow or curtsey .

    Have to say I cannot understand this nonsense in this day and age .

    So demeaning asking people to do this never mind the oath of allegiance .

    I don't know if the other monarchies that are left in Europe expect this from " their subjects" ( even writing that phrase makes me shudder ) ?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's part of the problem but I remain confident that places like Windsor Palace would remain extremely popular without the Royals. It's like trying to assess the safety of cannabis when it's illegal and mixed with tobacco. Hard to say objectively but I think we can make solid estimates.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,228 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    There is no obligation to bow, curtsy, etc. when meeting a member of the Royal Family. It’s literally the first thing their website says on the topic:

    “There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms.”

    In its pure form, fascism is the sum total of all irrational reactions of the average human character.

    ― Wilhelm Reich



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,573 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    didn't trump raise a ruckus by actually touching her though?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well look at Vienna then, they got rid of their monarchy about 100 years ago and their palaces still do comparable numbers to the London ones (~3 mil). You just have to market it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Well, their monarchy made... questionable decisions that lead to their obliteration.

    That aside, I don't think much marketing is necessary for the UK. It's one of the most visited countries in the world.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 Jonathan2712


    I agree with the 100% and I'm British. Its amazing that in 2023 any nation still has a King / Queen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I still think its a bit of a hoot how international the british royal family is/was ,

    Especially when a lot of their conservative supporters wouldnt be the most pro-immigration ..

    So the first king of englaland would probably be of northern netherlands stock .. Canute was a Dane , William was Norman , they stuck with frenchies for a bit - till the hundred years war when the same nobility declared themselves english .. bloody Mary was half spanish and married to the king of spain ..

    James the first was Scottish

    William of orange was was obviously Dutch ..

    And they went Hanovarian after that ..

    Before victoria , who was also very very German ...

    Prince Philip was technically Greek royalty --but really german/british aristocracy

    Just saying..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Two weeks before Hastings a Norwegian Viking army tried to invade and were defeated at Stamford Bridge (fair play Murinho).

    The history of the British monarchy is really interesting; Normans, white ship, Plantaganets, Wars of the Roses etc.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Hamza Some Troop


    It’s a bit of theatre, but a very expensive bit, and I wouldn’t care to be funding it out of my tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,605 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Dropping the hand was probably a bit much in fairness



  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was reading a book called The Anglo Saxons, it's so interesting because when you have grabbed a bit of land by force how do you keep it?

    That's when the flags, standard bearer, pageant, ritual, and anointed by god, come in to it, the monarchy is an invited tradition.

    The monarchy depends on people believing in it, it has no existence outside of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,337 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    And believe in it they do .... in spades.

    Scenes on Sky News today from London almost have a medieval feel to them.

    Subjects under canvas on the street waiting to see the monarch's coronation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Based on a few outliers camped out in central London? Not a great basis for that assertion.

    The monarchy is well over a thousand years old. People are going to resist toppling it for all sorts of reasons. This is more likely to be the basis of support for it than any religious fervour, particularly since the Queen died.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,337 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I'd hazard a guess that the real outliers are the non believers.

    While the London pilgrims might be relatively small in number all over the kingdom subjects will pay tribute in their own way.

    Whether it is watching on telly or attending a coronation party or just raising a glass of ale in the local tavern to toast the king's health the nation is united.



  • Posts: 847 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’m in London and from what I can tell most people are indifferent.

    There are a few flags and bit of bunting but your average man on the street is not too fussed.

    My Nan would be really in to it, my mum a bit less, myself even less and I expect my kids to barely acknowledge them in the future. That said I don’t think we will be a republic anytime soon, most people just don’t care enough either way to make a fuss over it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,228 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I kind-of see the continued existence of the UK Royal Family in this form as something of an ongoing experiment in social and political structures. There si something to be said for having a level of government that is stable and not subject to the shifting winds of political opinion i.e. unelected. That doesn't have to be a hereditary monarch, though; it could be an appointed body, such as the Roman Senate, and the UK still has the House of Lords.

    This is one area where the USA got it wrong, in my opinion, by passing the Seventeenth Amendment that made Senators directly elected. Now they have to pander to voters too, and set their priorities to those that will get them re-elected. What's missing, now, is a governing body that will try to do what's right, instead of what it politically expedient. Well, the UK has the unelected Civil Service, and the USA has the Deep State!

    In its pure form, fascism is the sum total of all irrational reactions of the average human character.

    ― Wilhelm Reich



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