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Ukraine defense minister thinks it is a problem, Ukraine's great supporters in the Balkans think it is a problem.

Estonian Defense said recently that European shell production needs to be multiplied by 7.

Reznikov, the Ukrainian Defense minister said they need at least 3 million shells a year.

He might not have the full details like yourself but his opinion deserves some consideration at least.

What Russia does is Russia's concern, Western Europe could produce more shells than the rest of the world if the will was there, it is not. Not even close.

The fighting from here on in will be much harder for Ukraine. Going in to red occupied land, where they have months of fortifying.

Is it you think they don't deserve the ammunition, or that their Defense Minister is wrong in what he is asking for?

Germany and France are limiting supplies so as to bring forward a stalemate, talks, defacto new border and a return to normality in trade, sta

An aggressive escalation in European military spending, military production is needed to just meet Ukrainian needs, before even considering the multi year conflict likely ahead there, the increased probability of

Going on about the magic of a guided shell is of little relevance when you also need the dumb shells in vast quantities.

No trouble.

The insidious thing about this kind of information warfare is that they won’t necessarily come out with a simple “Ukriane Bad! Russia good!” argument (although they might sometimes). Instead they’ll try to suggest something to inject doubt in supporting Ukraine fighting back. It’ll often come in the form of:

• cries for peace (without any context for such peace)
• Warnings of Russian nuclear attack (“fear Russia for they are all mighty”)
• Suggestions that Ukraine actually started the war
• Doubts of Ukraine being able win due to an arbitrary factor within Russia that might not even be real.

Many of the deleted bots also had their posts deleted, so you’ll have a hard time seeing these anymore. If your are on this thread for a while you’ll eventually see one turn up and the kind of messages that they try to spread. They’ll be gone soon after, but for a few hours / a day you’ll get to experience their current flavour of Russian forum propaganda.

Do I?

I recall Zelensky claiming again and again they have evidence it wasn’t a Ukrainian defence missile and the US was wrong and then suddenly silence.

So can you offer anything else that I haven’t?

When have I run away,I'm here every day practically till early morning.....

So.........

So far, Putin has subdued protesters even when they numbered in their 10's of thousands in Moscow and St Petersburg. and he subdued them using brute force, and after awhile, they petered out. No, that will not work. It will take a revolt by the Military, Silovicki or Oligarchs, or a combination of all of them. And Putin has an army dedicated to the security of the state ( IE: Putin) numbering 420'000 troop's, all sworn to protect Vladimir Putin. But even so, I'm sure that there is a plan to remove him being hatched, but he remains too strong at the moment.

In the early days of this war there were efforts by certain groups like anonymous etc to contact ordinary people in Russia through random telephone numbers and convince them that the whole invasion business is a bad idea and maybe they should stop it.

Now a year later I am finding I am trying to convince some of my friends here in Ireland of the very same thing. It’s becoming a lot more regular , in day to day interactions, that I am hearing lads spouting about NATO aggression and how Russia is being portrayed unfairly by the western media. it’s always the same type of guys , the confident d1ckhead type who were anti vax etc during covid. it’s like they all collectively visit the same rabbit holes of the internet. Although I was shocked when my vet had the same views too. Whatever Russia are doing on the propaganda front it is successful and has changed the landscape since Feb 22. To be having such conversations in your own back yard with ordinary people is very disconcerting. And I don’t even bring it up. They are so primed by the propaganda they are spouting it voluntarily.

but I keep coming back to the same retort with them. NATO did not aggressively expand and all those former soviet bloc countries APPLIED to join NATO. They know what Russia is like we know sweet F all about it. They have no answer and there is no answer to that. Those countries suffered by their proximity to Russia there is no two ways about it. We know nothing of what they went through here in Ireland. I challenge any apologist or tankie reading this to address that issue. I’d say I’ll be waiting. Why did all those countries rush to join NATO as soon as they could???

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@macraignil For example where did you get the figure that Ukraine only has 40,000 artillery shells? This type of information I would have thought would be highly classified ..

Again not what I said , I never said ukraine only has 40,000 artillery shells , no where did I say that

" For example where did you get the figure that Ukraine only has 40,000 artillery shells? This type of information I would have thought would be highly classified "

Why would it be highly classified and by who

So where in that does it say I said "ukraine only has 40,000 artillery shells "

So you said I said ,and your still going

You didn't read a post properly and tried to put words into my mouth

More on the Russian missle which was recently discovered in Poland,fired 5 months ago,

This could have major implications for Nato ,the missle which was apparently found in a Polish Forrest was a cruise missile carrying a dummy warhead to distract Ukrainian air defense,but this cruise missile is a Ch-55/Ch-555 whos primary role is to carry a nuclear warhead,

But yet went unnoticed by the poles and NATO, a potential nuclear weapon landed in a Nato country despite NATO ISR aircraft flying over ukraine since day one ,

This just proves my very point Chinese whosperers is trying to argue with me about.

I gave you the complete quotation of what you said and asked you a simple question. How do you get this 40,000 figure? Apologies if I did not get your exact statement completely correct in the first attempt but it was the number that I was finding to be the interesting part of what you were saying or to be more correct how you were so sure of this number as it was used in your post exactly as I quoted since then. No intention by me of putting words in your mouth. Your words were:

"Not if they don't receive the 1 million shells that they were promised don't materialise ,were half way through the year and they received 40,000 ,"

I also asked you if you could see the difference between what you said about the evacuation of Kherson and what is said in the article you linked to from sky news? I am still waiting for you to explain the difference between what you claim is to happen and the story in the article which is substantially different. So as to avoid confusion I am most interested in knowing how you decided:

"Looks like Kherson is to be evacuated due to Russian artillery strikes , hopefully the Ukrainians can remove the majority of people,and anyone who wants to stay dragged kicking and screaming away ,"