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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Movie Maestro


    I live in a town house with a footpath immediately in front and then a drive in port in front of that. I do have a side entrance. Will I ever be able to charge an electric car at home in this situation? I suspect not as it would involve trailing a cable across the footpath.

    Similar setup to this type of house...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,864 ✭✭✭stimpson


    Talk to your management company. I have seen solutions with a kerbside pedestal but the cable is routed through the path so it would involve some digging up and reinstatement.

    Do you have an assigned parking space?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,194 ✭✭✭micks_address


    You could potentially have a pedestal charger at the edge of the footpath. Ive actually seen a few people charge across the path - one actually had their car right up on it so a pedestrian couldnt even walk past and accidentally fall over the charge cable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Movie Maestro


    There is no management company. The parking spaces are not numbered so technically they are not assigned as far as I know. Digging up the path sounds like a planning nightmare😲



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Movie Maestro


    Not possible in this case I don't think. Even if the car is parked right up to the kerb there is still room for a pedestrian to walk along the path😕

    There must be thousands of town houses in the country like this. I'm astonished there is no obvious solution to this😭

    This is the main reason I haven't bought an electric car as it's not viable unless it can be charged at home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,194 ✭✭✭micks_address


    the person i had seen had actually parked on the path... with no room to pass the car.. not suggesting it as a way to go.. i think there are 'height' solutions where you can have a swing arm trailing a cable across the path.. it then of course needs to be high enough so someone wont get caught on it.. lots of large housing estates like this.. so has to be some solution..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭Mythago


    I have a pedestal charger in the parking space across in front of my house. There is a planning exemption for them and a few companies are doing the install but, expect to pay €2000+ (or 9 months worth of diesel!) Here's one (not mine) from instagram:

    Well worth giving them a call for better info.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Movie Maestro


    Jesus 2k is steep and sure what is to stop anyone else using the charger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭cython


    The one in the picture looks like an EO mini which I think supports control via an app, which could presumably be used to secure it. I'd be more concerned about not being able to guarantee access to it to use it myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭Mythago


    Well it comes down to 1400 after the grant :) You would have control over charging using the app or for added control the CB in your consumer box.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Well now you know that it can be done, you just have to do the maths to see if it’s worthwhile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭slegs


    Yes, doesnt matter where its bought as long as its on the list of approved devices and you can prove purchase

    I did exactly this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Jjohnrockk


    I live in an apartment, and the builder advised me to ask the council for permission. It is a new build. I have assigned car park in front of the apartment. There is a walkway between the stairs of my apartment and the parking space.

    How should I apply to the council and what information should be provided? Thanks a mil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭necstandards


    Have zappi installed for 14 months but only recently started to use it on a night boost (electric ireland) for the past 2 months. Mostly works fine, but some mornings i see it has tripped at some stage during the required 2 hour boost. It seems to trip when i have more load being used at this time. In the two months, i think its tripped 4 times

    Zappi + dish washer = no issue

    Zappi + dish washer + washing machine = trip

    zappi + eddi = trip

    Its a GARO B32A if that makes any difference. Any advice would be great



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Brego888


    Have an issue with getting the right installer for what I'm looking for.

    Live in a new build house and had 2 direct neighbours who have had a zappi and pulsar installed directly outside the meter box. Without running cable to the internal fuseboard in their kitchens.

    I've asked for similar from the same 2 installers they used and I've been told they must run a connection to the fuseboard.

    Odd

    Is this something they have to state in written correspondence but could do different on the day? I'd like to avoid internal cables running through the house.


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    I've attached a photo of my meter box



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Metalpanic


    They have to run cable back to your fuse board. Is it possible your neighbours had it done without knowing? If the houses were pre-wired for a charger, it's a very fast job, they might not even have noticed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Brego888


    Don't think so, they are both very technically minded.

    If its prewired as you suggest what would that look like?

    That might be the reason they have no noticeable cable running through their house



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Brego888




  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    There was a bad batch of Garo rcbo's apparently. Get it swapped out, it's an independent rcbo so having loads on other circuits shouldn't impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    That information is now outdated



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    It could be ran to a small gray square box on that wall or I have seen them left in the same cab as broadband connection point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Yes. Exact same issue. Garo RCBO albeit a 40A one.

    Completely sporadic - high house load, no house load, could have been charging for well over an hour or be just five minutes in, has also happened during the cabin preheating stage in the morning.

    What was really hard to pinpoint is there is an "Output Fault !" logged on the Zappi event log right before it trips, which suggests that the Zappi is picking up something before the RCBO actually trips. Had been thinking like you it was load balancing causing something to go a bit nuts but when it was happening during no load periods then it clearly wasn't that.

    The eventual conclusion it was the RCBO didn't seem to make any logical sense as you'd think the RCBO would respond to a downstream fault, rather than appear to create one!

    MyEnergi support are are recommending Hager RCBO's in place of Garo.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Change to a Hager or newer Garo RCBO. All will be good then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Metalpanic


    Not an electrician, but my impression was that is a secondary option when it is difficult to reach the consumer unit from the charger?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭serox_21


    About the Garo RCBO's.

    A friend installed an electric shower a while back(6 months) and after a few weeks, RCBO start tripping without any reason.

    Just changed it with a Hager brand and no tripping since then.

    Maybe is worth changing it for an extra 28€ the cost of a new one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭iniall


    Is it something you could do yourself, or would you need an electrician, do you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Buffman


    @Brego888 AFAIK the rules about that issue where changed multiple times (at least twice?) in the last few years, the last of which reversed the earlier decision to allow the EV charger to have a consumer unit in the meter box. Presumably your neighbors got theirs fitted in the brief period in which it was allowed?

    AFAIK it's still permissible to split the tails after the meter and serve the EV charger from a secondary consumer unit fitted outside the meter box.

    Edit: AFAIK P17&18 of the attached are the latest version.

    https://safeelectric.ie/contractors/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/08/April2022NewsletterSafeElec-Final.pdf

    Post edited by Buffman on

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Electrician RECI

    restricted works on a consumer unit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭liyan


    New to this discussion, so my apologies if the question was already covered previously…

    Am planning to install a charger. A few installers recommended Ohme Pro. It appears to be small and has smart functions.

    Does anyone have any experience or opinion on it?

    Many thanks.

    Use my referral link to purchase a Model 3 or Model Y and save 500 EUR: https://www.tesla.com/en_ie/referral/yan759808



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Neighbor has one. No problems.

    PV compatible like Zappi and wallbox too.

    All depends on price installed after the grant.



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