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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭paul71


    The Russians claim!


    You have missed the 40 years of murdered and imprisoned journalists in Russia. Take the hint Boxcar, the Russias are telling you lies, and you are happy to swallow the ****.

    Anyway Poles, Georgians, Americans, Irish, British Germans fighting who have legally enlisted in the Armed forces of Ukraine are entitled to the protections afforded to combatants.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,815 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Its not a "get out" clause, and there will be absolutely no support for removing it considering the prevalence of use of Private Military Contractors.

    Thankfully the Ukrainian government and armed forces seem less gung ho about encouraging mass war crimes than you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,184 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It is a get-out-clause. precisely because it allows Putin and others to form military groups they can pretend are not pursuing national interests while holding up their blodd covered hands up and declaring 'it wasn't me', while still being able to expect their not our military to be covered by the GC.

    You are confusing me with Prigozhin, who is the one who has ordered his mercenaries to not take any Ukrainians prisoners. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.

    Not to mention I just agreed with you that Russians in Wagner are covered by the GC.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    it's how the American's wiped out 200+ Russian's in Syria and the Russian's could do jackshit..

    Members of the Ukrainian legion are Ukrainian military members, and covered under Geneva Convention. Much like the French Foreign Legion or the Ghurkas in the British Army...

    However, the Russian's being their usual butthurt selves have been swaying back and forth as to whether they recognise the Ukrainian legion are mercenaries or not...

    Wagner are mercenaries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,184 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Yes; duly noted and memory banks updated accordingly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    This in response to Ukraine's clever tactic of mining each building they retreat from.

    Now the Russians taking no chances and dropping 1.5ton bombs on the buildings instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The bridgehead in the Dnieper estuary near Kherson is almost totally useless. The Russian defensive line doesn't start until the opposite river bank, the bridgehead reported is on a marshy island which the only supply line is again via boats across the river.

    Its also not the first time this has happened either - last year a group of 10 or so soldiers went out to one of those villages, placed a flag, got shelled, went home. A propaganda exercise but nothing more.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So, Ukraine have had no impact as to why Russia has no air superiority/supremacy... even though Russia having a very capable air force. While China have been preparing for the attack on Taiwan... Taiwan have hardly been twiddling their thumbs. So, as much as China will be better prepared than Russia, Taiwan will be better prepared than Ukraine... with ballistic bells on.

    But, let's imagine China sinks USS Gerald R. Ford - that would make 9/11 look like a Mardi Gras celebration. You're into Russian level sanctions against China by the West and full scale (hopefully pre nuclear war) against China by NATO, Japan and Australia. Do you think this is news to Xi? Of course he'll have the mighty Russia to help him *crickets* - The best proof that China wont attack Taiwan is that they've not done it already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    makes a bit more sense than you think...

    If they can fire control of that area, you are not focused on a single bridge point to cross the river.... the marshy land in between can be bridged with commercial pontoons, similar to what the ESB etc.. use for moving heavy equipment across bogland... giving you flexibility of multiple crossing points, which is harder to defend against.

    edit: called bogmats.... used extensively in heavy industry... military have fast deployable versions...



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is one key difference (amazing how you can see things from a Russian perspective, but not Ukrainian) this is the start of an anticipated offensive, so they HAD to do this first as, afaik, Ukraine has not developed teleportation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    If their anticipated offensive consists of bridgeheads in a marsh with no vehicle support then they are screwed. They will be shot to sh*t by artillery while being limited by the terrain slowing their advance, and having a river to their backs impeding both retreat and supply.

    attacking Kherson spit, or the upper Dnieper section between ZNPP and Nova kakhovka - that all has merit and would not be a turkey shoot for the opposition. Landing in the marshy middle achieves nothing other than twitter points for claiming territory (that had no garrison in the first place)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭josip


    How effective is artillery against marshy terrain? Does it all have to be airburst or do timed fuses have any role?



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a landing point and if Russians fire artillery near there then that artillery will be in range of far more accurate Ukrainian artillery. My money would be on Ukrainian artillery. This region is at the end of a notoriously poor Russian supply line.

    Oh, and what makes you hope it will only consist of such bridgeheads? I think you'll be disappointed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Could they not find a more obvious place to set up their kit? lol

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    "We need to wait till the ground hardens!" ---> "omg sooo based they invaded the wetland marsh islands"

    Simple basic canalizing tacticts vs the media led toddler level analysis once again.

    Can imagine that every single road is heavily mined in those areas and all pre registered by artillery, in an area with little to no cover. When this story melts away it'll be because they got slaughtered by the actions of their insane commanders. I bet it'll be mostly those green band troops too.


    I'm currently enjoying watching the pro Ukranian western msm agreeing with my points from last year that Ukraine likely will have to go to negotiated settlement, after a year of useless killing and destruction of their country. Didn't have to be the way of course, negotiations now!

    The "one final push but it won't work" narrative is something to behold.


    edit: also daily reminder Ukraine essentially lost the war with the two stalled offensives that gained them little but a bit of unimportant territory at the cost of massive casualties



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    First paragraph says the Russians are lying

    Second paragraph not only agrees but adds many more different nationalities

    I'm not sure how to respond!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Sure, and thats' what we are seeing now in Ukraine, but they will wean themselves away from corruption over time. Starting the process was the important step. Once a strong rule of law becomes established, corrupt practices find it harder and harder to survive. Bear in mind, even in the most tightly regulated societies' you will find corruption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I noticed all assaults on Vuhledar have stopped and instead they're trying to level it with glide bombs. It's sad Ukraine can't effectively target Russian planes with 45km of the frontline who fly high to drop these bombs. Or even their airfields in Crimea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    A village on the Baikal Plateau suffers a massive fire - a furniture factory and 8 houses are burned
    
    The fire in the village of Balyaga started at the Rassvet furniture factory, but then spread to houses due to strong winds.
    
    According to Russian media reports, the fire could spread further due to strong winds.
    
    https://twitter.com/OjefChJLrbqC7cu/status/1650788806600302592?s=20
    


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Not at all sir. This poster repeatedly called for negotiations over the last year and a bit. I don't post videos of people being blown up, celebrate death and arms supplies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I think your wrong,

    If we couldn't get consensus on Russian sanctions what makes you think that suddenly everyone will jump on china , just because they sink one or several US ships , Taiwan won't go the way of Ukraine,they will be cut of and blockaded before anyone else get close,they have the ability to keep everyone else's navy at bay out to over 1400km +



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭GerUpOttaTa


    But nobody is cheering for that. It's like you are reading things that aren't there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Regarding Taiwan if the US has submarine superiority they could sink any Russian ship that approaches Taiwan. Don't forget the US could also use long range missile's to sink the Chinese navy while they're at it. Not to mention the damage Taiwan would do themselves. IMO if the two go to war both sides will lose their Pacific fleets. China's only option would be to drop paratroopers on the island and that wouldn't go well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    So now, the Ukrainian's don't even have to mine the buildings they are leaving, thus saving ordinance/ ammunition etc. The Russians will do it themselves, and that will mean little or no shelter or comfort for them when their forces move in....Nice!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,184 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Yeah, and they almost exclusively used airpower to do it and weapons systems they have not supplied Ukraine with, apart from some M777 Howitzers, which are the only thing used in that conflict that has been supplied to Ukraine.

    With 4 US and at least 3 foreign generals calling for 4th gen fighters to be supplied to Ukraine, it seems to me that the US wants the counter offensive to fail and for Ukraine to not win and achieve it's objectives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    But But But...what about??? More whataboutary..... Do you believe for on minute that before US/UN interventions, that the leadership in the Countrys you mention were not already killing thousands of their own people? Khadaffi in Libya, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Assad in Syria,etc. and as we are seeing now, what the Ayatollah is doing in Iran? But no mention of these killing's thousands of them. Thats how the dictators control people in that part of the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'd be inclined to think though that this fire in a furniture factory, was a "genuine accident" rather than a Maguire & Patterson" type fire. Seems like it was a major employer in the village, and will of course pose serious problems for them, but I doubt it was linked to the war in Ukraine or an insurance claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,509 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭GerUpOttaTa


    So if and when negotiations happens and neither or only one of the two above points are addressed will anyone who agreed to the peace be "Russian Nazi supporters"?

    Nobody wants Putin not too see the inside of a jail cell after a Hague trial but if we are honest with each other the chances of that are minimal, maybe 5% at a push.

    I'll be honest i haven't really been following the war since last summer so maybe im mistaken but i just don't see the will being there from the west to give Ukraine what it needs to win this thing (where are the jets) so i can only see some sort of negotiated peace at some stage myself. If that makes me a Russian Nazi putinbot or whatever then i guess it is what it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    that was beside the point of the mercenary argument.... how they were killed was irrelevant ... the point was the US killed 200+ Russian's and Russia couldn't say anything to the US about it



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