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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭whydoibother


    I hope it will be easy to find an electrician to install external sockets though. Today they said 4 weeks wait…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭snor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭crl84


    3000 to bring it up to the level of current regulations, which are required to submit paperwork for the grant.

    I'd imagine you can find multiple electricians that will install a charger, without replacing the existing electrics in the house. if you're willing to forgo the €600 grant.

    Buy a charger yourself and get an electrician to install it. Or an outdoor socket as suggested above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭meercat


    its not permitted to do this work (or any other electrical work)if the installation is not capable of taking the increased load or the earthing arrangements are not sufficient ,irrespective of applying for a grant or not.


    Only a rec is permitted to work on a distribution board and Electrical work in a domestic installation must be certified by a rec if it’s restricted (as this is) or minor works if requested



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Affluenza


    Screenshot 2023-04-20 at 13-16-38 Application Form.png

    Good afternoon all, if I haven't decided which model of charge point I would like to have installed, is it okay to select the "other" option when applying for the grant?

    If not other work is required, goelectrical have issued a quote of €699 after grant for the Wallbox pulsar plus and €649 for the ohme home pro but I am yet to decide on which one just yet.

    Thanks for the help :)



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,191 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Easygo are cheaper.

    €599 after the grant for the wallbox.

    €799 for the Zappi.

    My neighbor paid €600 for the ohme after the grant recently too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Affluenza


    Hi, thanks for the quick reply. I'll definately get a quote off them also. Thanks :) In regards to the grant application, can I just pick "other" and decide which charge point when the grant is accepted?


    Edit: didn't realise SEAI have a chatbox :) You can indeed just choose "other" if you do not know which EV charge point you're going to pick.

    Post edited by Affluenza on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Affluenza


    Oh and one more quick question :) If I have no intentions of having solar installed in the next 2-3 years, would it cost much to have a non solar charge point replaced with the likes of the Zappi or should I just pay the extra upfront if I did decide to have solar installed before 2026?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,191 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    A QUBEV charger can be got on Amazon for €300. Then installation from a sparks. You may not get the grant but it’s a basic charger. Needs to be smart for grant, EEE registered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Affluenza


    Hi, yeah I remember someone mentioned a similar one a few pages back.

    I actually applied for the grant a couple of hours ago and I already have been approved surprisingly. I was expecting it to take a few days. After doing a little more research, I think the wallbox pulsar plus should be sufficient and it seems it now also has an eco mode to allow for solar integration?

    From what I can tell, the ohme pro has a better app and mobile data instead of wifi and I would like a charge point that blends in a little so I don't think the zappi would work due to its large size.

    I've gone ahead and put in a query with easygo so I'll wait and see what they think :)

    Thanks for the help!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Currently charging at home with an EO Mini Pro (Untethered) but hopefully moving house in 10 weeks.

    New house has Solar panels, but no car charger. In order to integrate with these panels, do I need anything other than a compatible charger (like a Zappi)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭BobMc


    Hi All, head is wrecked here, read back about 12 or so pages, so need some advice, ended up with buying a PHEV as they couldnt source the hybrid version we wanted with no delivery date being offered or even suggested, so PHEV it is, now we would like a charger rather than the granny cable,

    Huge range in quotes about online, after having to fork over more money to dealer budget is tight, was hoping for 500/600 after grant, but one quote was 1550, I can buy the charger from that quote for 675, so are they charging that much for labour, not knocking a sparky for his skills etc but as others have said have they jacked it up because of the grant, Any suggestions on better quotes, waiting on quote from Daly Elec. Waterford but am I best just fire away with electric ireland or the like!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,733 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Was that quote just for the charger install or did it also include other working bring the house (tails) up to spec? Are you based in the Waterford area? Will you be sourcing your own charger or do you want the installer to supply?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭BobMc


    Looking for installer to do the whole job, hoping electrics wont need any upgrading, dont really want to be going off buying charger etc , just had a feeling the e1500 + quotes are on the high end ? We're in Clare close to Limerick border



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Brego888


    Normally pretty tech savvy but feel slightly confused on options on wall chargers


    2022 plug in hybrid

    3 year old house in housing estate so assuming wiring is up to date

    Just applied for grant

    Looking for good value charger/installer that has some app support

    Don't mind paying a but extra for a good one

    Any advice?

    North County Dublin if it makes any difference



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭BobMc


    Few quotes I've got and only one has asked about the earth rod, which sods law I cant find, is this going to cause a massive problem at our end?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭VikingG


    When was your house built? I would guess that it has been a regulation for 25 years now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭BobMc


    2001 or so maybe 2000,had a good look yesterday, unless its buried under grass or something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Affluenza


    Afternoon, I'm in the same boat at the moment. About to book the charger install today and was told the installer will be able to locate the earthing rod if its there. If not, I was told it would be an extra €150 and the installer can go ahead and put one in there and then. Not sure if this is the same for most installers :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭D_D


    Am I correct in saying that some of the more modern chargers (Wallbox Pulsar Plus, for example) have a separate system meaning that it does not need to have an earthing rod installed?

    "Integrated PEN fault protection. No earthing rod needed."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Affluenza


    Happy to be told wrong but I've been told by a few installers the earthing rod is still needed due to regulations. Most of the bigger chargers have "no earth rod required" but i was told to ignore this :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 PorcoRosso


    Am a complete noob in this area so asking for advice. Picking up a car next week and had a crowd out yesterday to fit EV charger. Had sent pics of everything beforehand, but upon coming out, they've said my tails need upgrading from 10mm to 16mm from meter to fuse box?

    House was built in the 80s, with a modern extension added recently, but assume the tails work is indeed required for the job. Had recent work on house done where an earth rod was installed, and was told yesterday by the sparky that bonding was fine also. New estimate is an additional €2100 on top of initial quote. Is that about right, it's a shock to the system but if I need to swallow that then needs must?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭slegs


    Just for some people who might be interested I was able to buy the Wallbox Pulsar Max (newer version than Pulsar Plus) on Amazon and have installed by carchargers.ie for €600

    Pulsar Max was < €600 so total about €1200 and no problem getting the SEAI grant.

    Just so people know there is a cheaper way than going for the inflated bundled supply/install offerings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,322 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    10mm is inadequate alright, so it needs doing.

    NOTE: If you are paying for a tails upgrade now I'd just get them to increase it to 25mm which would future proof it if you decided you wanted to increase your MIC to 16kVA(Max import current). The difference in price between 16mm cable and 25mm cable wont be alot and running that cable once now, saves you possibly having to do it again in future. You might never need the higher rated cable but at least its done now when they are pulling the cable anyway. Worth asking the question.

    €2100 seems steep though but maybe its an awkward job or something. Multiple quotes is the only way you will tell for sure whether that price is gouging or good value and it could be either! 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Ye, assuming your meter and consumer unit are close enough to each other, €2K just to upgrade the tails is hefty, get more quotes.

    Sounds more like a PFO quote to me where they don't want to do it. It can be a messy job alright requiring multiple visits and coordinating with ESBN visits as ESBN have to come out to connect the new tails to the meter side.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 PorcoRosso


    Thanks @Buffman and @KCross, appreciate you writing back. Will get a few more quotes and see what the story is. Cheers again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭gar


    If I get a charger from Amazon and shipped to the north would it still be covered by the grant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,262 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Yea and no, I don’t believe regulations have been updated to allow for devices with PEN protection.


    Earth Ross are about €20 they shouldn’t add to much to the price. Maybe an hours labour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭crl84


    Question for people who had to get their tails upgraded:

    How long did it take, from ringing an REC to the work being finished, and do they, or you, have to contact the ESB and arrange their visit?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,194 ✭✭✭micks_address


    so when mine was done last May.. the installer notified ESB networks and I got a letter in the next week or so from ESB networks to contact them to arrange appointment. When I phoned ESB networks I had an appointment in about 10 days after - took about 30 minutes for the ESB engineer to switch them across about 20 minutes power outage



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