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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Truly horrific. Mordor is a country of monsters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'd question the figure for sure.

    It's one way to seed doubt, 2 lies, the 100 figure and the selling codes to Russia. People may debate the selling of codes, but just assume the 100 downed TB2's is true.

    The selling of codes will be dismissed as the usual lies, but people will come back assuming the 100 drones shot down is correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    The time that lunatic in New Zealand went on a rampage in a mosque it was live streamed. Then people started uploading the video all over Reddit on all sorts of unrelated threads .

    Looked like a movie or a first person shooter video game what was happening It was hard to comprehend it was real life.

    Crazy stuff altogether



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    More fake news.

    This is supposed to be a discussion forum. Why do people keep throwing up this horseshit here every day without any commentary?

    Either defend it, analyse it, criticize it, or else don't fukcing put it up!!!!



  • Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's highly unlikely that Turkey would "sell codes" to Russia or otherwise compromise the drones they sold Ukraine. They were using the Ukraine war to advertise the drone and seek buyers.

    It's true the TB2 featured less and less over time and by late 2022 was pretty much nowhere to be seen. Russia shot them all down. It's a crude low-cost drone, it doesn't have any stealth features, it doesn't have the same anti-EW features as more expensive Western products. It took Russia a while but once they got the hang of shooting them down (or using electronic warfare to crash them) it was a turkey shoot for them (pun slightly intended).

    The fact is they did a lot of damage to Russian assets while they were active. Now Turkey has to go and make some better ones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Yes, the story makes no sense. They are or were selling them to Ukraine (not giving, I don't think Turkey have given Ukraine so much as a bullet?) and with state of Ukraine's budget situation probably ultimately getting US/EU to pay.

    They get to learn about them in a war risk-free, they got free advertising for their 2nd rate equipment (I think they have [edit: or, after googling it, are developing!] some better drones they keep for themselves?), even have some Eastern EU countries buying loads of the things, which is depressing given the direct military threat Turkey poses to 2 EU members. They will have some egg on their faces if that balloon goes up.

    Even if that story is false IMO the economic assistance, sanctions busting and diplomatic support which NATO "ally" Turkey gives to Russia/Putin is far more important in balance of the war than anything they have provided Ukraine. They don't get criticised enough for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭zv2


    I qualified the post with "???" You should know what that means. It means it is something that can be discussed. Don't use language like that with me again. You are on my ignore list.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The Nrs that count are not the totals, but the tanks/ trucks/ vehicles etc. that are roadworthy. No point having1'000 in stock, but only 150 or so are actually operational. And as has been proven in the past multiple times, the Russian military logistics is in a woeful state.



  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Taiwan is safe. China only has the ability to land 25k men amphibiously they totally lack the hardware (Germany same problem in WW2). It's estimated around 2 million men would need to be landed to take the island and that's just not happening in this decade. Taiwan straits are very treacherous to cross in the good season and outright impossible most of the time. Taiwanese are dug in like ticks (70 years prep). It's all hot air from China. The best they could do is launch missiles en masse for spite at civilian targets and infrastructure.



  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Kurdish propaganda you'd think they'd know better



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  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    T-72 T-62 T-54/55 all totally outclassed

    From breach to cease-fire, the battles of Desert Storm lasted a bit under a hundred hours. Between 25,000 and 50,000 Iraqi soldiers were killed and 80,000 captured. Of the 219 U.S. soldiers who died, 154 perished in battle, too many of them in friendly fire. 

    About 3,300 Iraqi tanks were destroyed in desert battles and by air attack. The coalition lost 31.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    From what I saw of it, the drone damaged it and it had to be taken some where else for repairs. So yes, it was damaged, but no, it was not blown up. Had it been blown up, it would have been beyond repair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Which came first, the hen or the egg? For sure, the Russian's treated the Chechens the very same as they are now treating Ukrainians. Chopping of heads, hands and feet...and worse was common practice, so no surprise the Chechens retaliated. But what's really difficult to understand is why Chechens ( at least some of them, Kadyrov does not speak for all Chechens, not by a long shot! ) even Kadyrov fight for Putin after the way he treated them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    This would have been a chance for them to make a move tiktokers and an a weakened Russian military, could have been severely damaged by Chechens if they decided to make changes,still surprised the Georgians didn't try to take back there occupied territory, though in saying that they seem to have a Kremlin leaning government in power



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Maybe there was a guarantee of sorts. If they don't work, either write off/ discount the invoice or prepare to be disadvantaged in various ways by your superiors and states you rely on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Remember when turkey bought Russian s400 Anti aircraft missles that got them kicked out of the F35 program,part of the deal involved turkey locally producing the actual missles ,but Russia took the money and sent one unit of S400s but then refused to send the master codes that would allow ankra to build the missles and then refused to send more missles,

    It wouldn't make sense that the Turks would sell the Russians codes for drones that could be in theory used in a conflict involving turkey and Russia,

    But Russia and turkey have this weird neither friend not enemy relationship especially as it was apparently the Russians who warned Erdogan of a potential coup a few years back that led to a massive clampdown on democracy and political opposition parties by the Erdogan regime



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Repo101


    The Bayraktar is too slow to be useful against a modern army. The fact it took Russia so long to shoot it down was the most surprising aspect of its service. It's effectively useless now but another reminder about how slow Russia is at adapting. The Iranian drones are of the same ilk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But yet proved very effective much the the various predator/reaper drones ,they don't need to be fast ,they are primarily a reconnaissance drone able to carry relative Small payload of munitions,

    Drones don't need to be fast to be effective,



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Well one thing that we are learning is that inbetween cheap useless old tech and modern too expensive items, both sides have a use for moderately cheap fairly useful materiel and drones have served this purpose.

    If a 10k drone has to be shot down with a 100k+ anfi aircraft missle, then its a good trade. Plus, you can use cheap drones tooverwhelm air defence and maybe the more expensive, more destructive weapons have a better chance to get through.

    So even being shot down serves a purpose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    South Korea has reached an agreement to 'lend' the United States 500,000 155mm artillery shells, which could give Washington more flexibility to provide Ukraine with ammunition, a South Korean newspaper reported Wednesday, citing government sources. South Korea has decided to "borrow" ammunition instead of selling it, to minimize the possibility of South Korean shells being used in the conflict in Ukraine.

    South Korea's Defense Ministry said the Allies had explored ways to support Ukraine, but declined to confirm the details.

    The report came after classified U.S. military documents highlighted South Korea's difficulties in coping with pressure from Western allies to help provide military aid to Ukraine.

    Inventive. How very Swiss of them.

    https://www.defenseromania.ro/coreea-de-sud-a-fost-de-acord-sa-imprumute-statelor-unite-500-000-de-obuze-de-artilerie_622144.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Repo101


    They are still used but are not as effective as people would have perceived in early '22. The Bayraktar is far too slow to make a big impact on this war, Ukraine has even found a way to somewhat stop Iranian drones without the mass need for Russian antiair defenses.

    I remember you talking up the oppostion in Syria a good few years ago. Drones are easy to shoot down when they can't fly quick enough...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Repo101


    I agree but we have already entered the war of attrition stage. Drones aren't going to have the impact that you might expect.

    Russia is using Wagner mercenaries as 'cannon fodder' so they also aren't complaining about rapists and murderers being easily being picked off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Don't remember that conversation or account,

    But again the drone BT or Reaper are not attack drones they don't need to be fast the fly high and slow for surveillance, they weren't designed for high intensity warfare,

    The Turkish drone only carry small payloads where a single reaper can kill 8 tanks at a time and it's still only a surveillance tool



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Coming from the "Leak" back in September a UK surveillance aircraft flying over the blacksea was tracked and intercepted by a Russian Su 27 which actually went step further than others interpretations by actively shooting at aircraft with a missle which failed to Lock and track , now blaming a miscommunication between the pilot and ground crew Operating the radar ,

    Following this all RAF surveillance flights over the blacksea were accompanied by a pair of armed Typhoons

    Considering this happened several months before the US reaper drone was taken down in the same are how close we came to Nato becoming actively involved in an Article 5 call ,and yet months later they purposely caused the US drone to crash with unsafe menuvers ..

    Are they actually wanting a direct conflict with Nato ???




  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Interesting interview with Sergei Guriev,former Kremlin economic advisor,who says sanctions are working




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    True. It flew towards it, and landed on its radome, damaging it. I posted a video of it here about 240k pages back.



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