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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    How many acres would you spread with one big bag if you wanted to put out 30units of n? Always confused with urea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    46 units in a 50 kg bag . 500kg over 15 acres would be around 30 units


    50 kg per 1.5 acres is 30 units



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    I see Mr Sweetman is going after the Dairy industry now after destroying the forestry industry



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,705 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Thanks for that. I’m always a little suspicious of the “free advice” in the media but I’ve upped the stocking rate this year so growing more grass is high on the agenda



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Grueller




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,763 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    48 units in 50kgs of urea.

    48 divided by 50 equals 0.96 units in a kg.

    30 units divided by 0.96 equals 31.25kgs.

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    48 divided by 30 equals 1.6.

    100% divided by 1.6 equals 62.5%

    50kgs x 0.625 = 31.25 kgs

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    375kgs divided by 31.25 equals 12 acres



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Front page of the Farmers Journal. He is objecting to farmers getting planning for sheds and slurry storage.

    He caused carnage in the forestry industry by objecting to felling licences and forestry roads and cost farmers millions by stalling forests being thinned etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭mf240


    Looks like a poster for diabetes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Grueller




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,763 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Some say someone who makes a living from serial objections.

    Google the name.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Got morris gate here this year. Gift of a job. Its expensive, but if your handling cows at all its worth it. Dont know how anyone works the semi auto gates. i hated the old one here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Is the cage that goes in front of it necessary ?

    I’ve seen that type gate on English farms and it’s what I was thinking would suit best but never knew the name of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    +1 for a Morris type gate and that is coming from working a bunch of cute sucklers. Really keeps cattle flow going. If you are relying on an animal to hit a gate shut, they just get cute and stubborn saying I'm not sticking my head out there. Have a condons one and I wouldn't look at any other style of gate. After working a Morris style you will never go back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Nope, only if you have the wildest of wild cattle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Crush long overdue for upgrading here in the yard. Based on the praise and recommendations for the morris I’d be looking towards one of them.

    As I’ve never seen one working in the flesh I’m wondering is it down to the skill of the man working it to catch the animal? Is there a risk that a flighty one will burst on out the gate if you’re not quick enough pulling the handle to catch her in the gate?

    To me it appears the gate is wide open and as the animal walks through you pull the handle and catch her at the neck. That all looks very simple with the quiet animals that are in them on the few YouTube videos I’ve seen but how does that work in reality or am I picking it up wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    I'd say she's the very opposite to the bould Mick in many ways, gender, age group, not to mind integrity.

    He's gone right wingish now isn't he, pro autocracy, he found a gap in the Eastern anti-West Market I think.

    Post edited by Castlekeeper on

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭green daries


    He would curl your piss that Lad. Got some sweep of money from corrib project and a few large forestry setups. the planning laws both here and in the UK are a pure disaster at this stage in pity younger people who are trying to get going now on houses and businesses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Open the gate half way and the see the opening they will catch at the shoulder. As they are walking/ running you can adjust the opening and lock. Works very well with a sliding back gate behind the first animal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    she should b careful not to bite the hand that feeds her...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 international xl


    she started out as a green but could not get on the ticket with them so jumped ship as she only does whats best for her career and she is anti farming which is ok as every body is entitled to have there views but she comes across to be a farming friend but her policy and actions are all the opposite i rather back somebody who follows through on what they set out in there political leaflet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Talking to a man today who took his put and out in a condon beef gate instead

    hard catch an animal on your own was his reason, cows get cute after a while to the workings off it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,530 ✭✭✭tanko


    Bought the basic cattle master classic crush nearly twenty years ago, best thing i ever bought. It’s eight feet long and has a sliding gate at the back. There’s a handle at the back to open and close the head gate. Both sides top and bottom open out to suck a calf or do a section. Cattle always think they can get through the gate, just close it at the right time. A lot of cows stop at the right place and wait for it to be closed. The only problem i had was catching a cow with big horns, if she got her shoulders out she was gone and had to be put round again but that is rare. I use it for dehorning calves also.

    i think you can buy the gate and handle on its own and fit to an existing crush.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,705 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Not sure of the make of ours but it’s one where the animal walks forward and catches themselves. I always walk the cattle thru it first with the gates open just to give them a false sense of what’s happening. Very few are clever enough to stop then when the gate is set to catch them. Maybe older cows would get wise to it but no problem with bullocks and heifers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Dairy cows can be cute out

    we’ve no bother with first calvers but once they get that first year milking over them they get wise

    we end up using the next cow to push the front cow into the gate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Maybe you know better, but as far as I'm aware she joined SDs due to their social policies, and to get away from the FG/Tories on bikes approach, I'd say either ticket wouldn't be too hard to get on.

    She's certainly a pro sustainability and pro environment candidate, and a rarity amongst those in that she's a farmer and pro-farming too.

    Her only sin is that she is a small peasant farmer, and ad the British/capitalists figured out long ago, not many aspire to being a small farmer, and her very success as such might be challenging to other approaches.

    She's probably too long term in her thinking and sees the need for our land use to develop and evolve beyond the old industrial systems for social, economic, and environmental reasons.

    It's interesting that you chooses to attack her integrity, as I would say that it's probably her USP at the moment as a politician, and leaves her vulnerable too. The fact that she came straight out with her position on the N derogation is an example of that honesty and integrity, that most politicians would shirk.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 international xl


    The local co op branch is less than 2 miles from her door she was in one day and a farmer had heard her on the radio about emission so he came over and ask how were the cows doing all the damage she would not engage to which the farmer said so is sf6 gas doing no damage every one deserves a lucky break next election is just around the corner she was top of the count in her parish last election which is Kilcoe and lisheen schools cannot see her been in the top 3 this time as people judge people on actions not words



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Depending on the man and his approach, it might be understandable that she wouldn't.

    As for sf6 gas, apart from whataboutery, what's the point? That we should also try and develop more sustainable energy infrastructure.

    I can't see anyone disagreeing with that.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    I've seen Michael Collins and others at many farm events and open days in west Cork. Never seen herself around apart from a few staged photo shoots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,763 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Mick Wallace when he was elected stated that he was not going to be a traditional politician. He stated he was not going to do anything for the local people that was for the other politicians to do so. He was going to follow national and international agendas. Of course he didn't say this before the election when he was looking for votes.

    Holly is sounding more of the cut of this.

    It's not being brave. It's not being radical or free thinking. It's two fingers to your electorate.

    You've farmer led coops in West Cork. The envy of Ireland. I think Holly's mother was also part of the movement and supplied same. You've some of the lowest nitrates in the country in the waterways. That comes from grazing grass. It's reduced even in the last testing. And this is under a lot of the farmers in derogation in the region. The message and agenda is clear. It's not nitrates in waterways that are the stick to beat ye with. It's methane emissions from the number of stock and derogation is seen as a handy weapon to use against farmers to achieve spreadsheet targets in reducing numbers. Unfortunately Holly has been suckered in on this to follow the sheep and follow the "bigger picture" and achieve goals. Except for every cow being talked about there's a farmer behind it. And that farmer has a vote.

    My advice if you have a vote use it. Simple as.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Once upon a time there was a lot more cows and a lot more votes behind them in West Cork, and West Linerick, and West Clare, many other places too, if we keep going as we are there won't be much left soon.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



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