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The eviction ban

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That's the thing - you said nothing at all. You hinted at "slimy underbellies" and some such. As I said your post was cowardly sleeveen whispers. When I asked for specifics, you waffled. Why cant you send a link to prove your nebulous point?

    Perhaps you say it best when you say nothing at all?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,737 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    You don't want a link, you want words to pick apart so you can play the silly little internet game of defending your side.

    And as it would be a hijack to this thread I don't want to have an off-topic back and forth with a dishonest debater.

    My post from the very beginning said for people to go and have a deeper look before making their minds up, that is an entirely reasonable suggestion no matter how much you cry and whine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    To be fair landlords shouldn't be issuing non compliant notices. A lot has been said about non compliant tenants. And I agree with most of it, but the landlords should be held to the highest standards too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    My point is they are only thinking of the tenants and the supply of rentals for them.

    They've haven't connected the dots that you need LLs for this, and LLs that will support the parts of the rental market there are shortage is. So running LLs out of town and incentivizing REITs at the top end is really sawing the branch you are standing on. In terms of policy. Nothing wrong with REITs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Charities are part of the general media vilification of LLs. It's a bit like the eviction poster in the media this week.

    Normal process shouldn't be interrupted by it. That the normal process is dysfunctional is solely down to Govt inaction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Why doesn't the Govt have a online system that walks people through the process and creates compliant notices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That would require leadership, vision and realistic planning. FFG do not do any of that.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Posts: 522 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But who does then? Genuine question have other parties got a plan that could help?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭bluedex


    Yes, sorry I wasn't having a go, of course you are correct.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Because they're incompetent idiots?


    Just to reference the earlier post, If you gave me a billion euro I could spend it on social housing. maybe not efficiently but still more efficiently than doing nothing. :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭bluedex


    Yes but it still does nothing to help the situation and actually strengthens the case for a private supplier to exit. The notices shouldn't so complicated in the 1st place and shouldn't need a legal professional to complete.

    The aim should be all about encouraging supply, not making it more difficult for suppliers.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Actually, they should be complex. It's a very complex business. But as someone mentioned earlier, there should be a standardized template that they can get from an government department. And it should be linked to an rental agreement that comes from the same place. It would be straightforward to create an agreement with sections that can be added in or removed as necessary and then create an exit agreement based on it.

    If people want something more complex they should go to a solicitor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Other parties did not cause the housing disaster and are not in power. The budget should have been spent. It's the FFG Housing for All plan. There are so many problems to fix and FFG have 2 years left to fix it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭bluedex


    Yes, badly phrased by me, you've articulated it more clearly. In any case the aim should be to encourage private suppliers into the market, or keep them in it, not incentivise them to leave or stay out.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭bluedex


    Other parties have certainly contributed to the current issues, see my earlier post summarising the facts. No party is blameless in this fiasco. To deny that is delusional I'm afraid.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Other parties haven't fixed it in other jurisdictions. Also their plans if they get into power here don't make any sense. If anything that's accelerated the rush to exit the market. So they are also contributing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭SwimClub


    I think you are missing one piece of the puzzle:

    Various regulations introduced weren't just populist, the government has been playing another game and that's to offload social housing on the private sector. Regulations are designed to entrap and offload the government's responsibility on private landlords.

    You can't refuse a tenant based on HAP, one month deposit caps probably stop a landlord using wealth as a filter on tenants, slow evictions to keep problem HAP tenants housed off the governments books.

    If you want to know why the government is so concerned about regulating private rentals it's because they are using them for social housing, they are not keen to give them back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I don't vote for SF and I don't give a hoot about NI. I voted FG for over 20 years. If SF do get into power in 2025, I will be just as critical if they do not make a genuine attempt to fix the housing disaster. I will acknowledge that FFG caused it but whoever is in government needs to fix it.

    The budget underspend by the current government is evidence they don't really have the political will to fix it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Lil Fred


    You’ve been caught rotten now. Drop the shovel and step away from the keyboard for a few days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Areas of south Dublin are dominated by REIT landlords, so they effectively control rental supply and rent levels.

    I know of one 300 unit complex where they keep units empty, rather than reduce rent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Maybe they can use it for the long awaited Children's Hospital which currently has an unknown budget. It started off at 400m, went to 2 billion and somehow they cannot get actuals or projected nunbers now. Idiots indeed.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Actually FF initiated it if we're are being picky. But privatisation was a on trend policy globally at the time. Certainly FFG have made it worse. But the other parties aren't blameless either. Not getting voted in means you've not convinced enough people either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Agreed on FF. Don't get me started on them. 😂

    I'd throw Labour into the mix too. They disgraced themselves after 2011 and focused on the gravy train along with FG.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭SwimClub


    Talk of compliant notices is just an example of the dishonesty now that is employed in these systems.

    A notice of termination is really quite simple, there is a certain number of days notice, what is needed is:

    1. Issuing notice of the correct duration to the tenant so they are given the correct time to make plans.
    2. A signed declaration that this is for ONE of the valid reasons allowable under the lease (no requirement to be specific on which).

    From the tenants perspective that is all the information that they need.


    The RTB can then check up on 2. if and when they like and also check that the landlord does not re-rent without offering to the tenant.

    There is no way in advance that any of the reasons to issue notice can be verified, so requiring any other information on there is pure BS.

    That's all that is needed, legally or otherwise.

    Requiring that it be sent to the RTB on the same day to be valid (why?) or that the landlord should email the RTB footage of them performing the Haka in Stephen's Green or whatever else they might ask for is pure bullsh!t the sole purpose of which is to entrap them procedurally, by increasing the chance that the notice can be challenged.

    It's entrapment any which way you look at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭bluedex


    Good point and thanks for adding. It's not a minor factor either. Policy has been to offload responsibility to the private sector, while at the same time driving the private sector out of the market. The results should have been as obvious as what is happening now.

    In a way, the combination of the various contributors to the issue is a perfect case study in how to destroy a rental market.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Demand isn't a problem anyone is trying to fix either.

    A housing and accommodation shortage is a natural consequence of an undersized housebuilding sector, while at the same time encouraging multi nationals to set up here where they have a skills need that cannot be filled by the local population.

    That and our demographics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 33,661 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    And I'm out!!

    Just got the news that my sale has completed, landlord no more am I.

    Thank the lord!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭bluedex


    Congrats on reducing your stress and increasing your quality of life!

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Well a lot aren't filled in properly. Whatever the reason.



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