F1 2023 thread

mickdw · 13-03-2023 06:15PM

I think Aston might be a different animal now. We have seen in the past where they arrive with a copy car and could go nowhere with it.

This year, while it takes alot from redbull, you would have to assume it's done with the skill and knowledge of part of the original design team and surely there will now be more understanding of the concept and ability to go forward.

The fact that they have been able to make the concept work out of the box is a good sign that there is abit more going on this year than others.

I fully believed that daddy stroll was a disaster after hearing reports of him sitting in on design meetings and throwing his weight around but I guess there is a reason he is super rich and I'm not.

flazio · 13-03-2023 09:30PM

I'm just not warming to Aston Martin at the moment. Continuity Jordan has a Union Jack on the nose. Now I'm not one of these hardline "Butcher's apron" kind of nationalists, couldn't care less if the north swears loyalty to the King of England or the Queen of Sheba, but Alonso has a habit of alienating teams and the Stroll daddy and son pairing is just so unlikeable.

Now I have some respect for Lance, he's a proven winner in junior categories and can really show up to a race weekend when he wants to. Turkey 2020 springs to mind, and did really well to recover to the point he did last weekend, but listening to the story of how he managed his treatment, well let's just say there's no way any travel insurance company is going to pay for that kind of treatment for plebs like us. Then there's the arse kissing that Alonso is doing. "Oh Lance is great, world champion material etc etc", it's not a good look on Fernando.

Killinator · 13-03-2023 10:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120355443#Comment_120355443

Just remember that 'British Racing Green' is actually a tribute to Ireland and it'll make it easier 😊

MadYaker · 14-03-2023 08:29AM

I fancy Alonso to be quick in qualifying this weekend. Ferrari seem to be undergoing a lot of personnel changes. It’s hard to know it’s just Vasseur moving people around or people jumping ship because they’re unhappy, infighting is the last thing Ferrari need now.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-03-2023 10:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356320#Comment_120356320

This is a real opportunity for Ferrari. Whatever ways they were doing things, it didn't work. They have a bad culture. Blaming and back-stabbing seems to be the MO. Short term pain for long term gain.

BBC talked about the Mercedes 'no blame' culture and Ferrari's 'no fault' culture. Mercedes ruthlessly try to understand any mistakes so they can make sure they never happen again, not to blame the person responsible. Ferrari pretend problems don't exist because if they identify a problem then they person responsible is blamed and put on the shortlist for redundancy. Ferrari didn't even acknowledge their pit strategy problems last year, if you can imagine that.

Vasseur is taking risks by moving and firing people but he has a chance to change the culture. The ones who aren't performing and have been getting away with it are bound to be unhappy b

quokula · 14-03-2023 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356320#Comment_120356320

From everything I've read this was in motion before Vasseur was brought on board, and comes from discord between staff and upper Ferrari management (above Vasseur), something that Binotto apparently became increasingly ineffective at shielding the team from as he had one foot out the door towards the end of last year.

Not sure if Vasseur will be the man to steady the ship or if he'll end up serving as the fall guy while upper management remould the team, as Marco Mattiacci did previously.

MadYaker · 14-03-2023 10:43AM

Ferrari F1 team is structured differently to others as well. The corporate guys who run the road car business obviously get a say in what happens with the F1 team as well. It might be better if they were two completely separate entities like Mercedes but I can’t see Ferrari ever doing that.

quokula · 14-03-2023 01:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356771#Comment_120356771

Yeah it mostly worked back in the day when it was Enzo, or a racing guy like Di Montezemolo at the helm. Now they're a publicly traded company and the people calling the shots have no background in the sport yet still seem intent on meddling. Marchionne, albeit not a racing guy himself, was probably the last CEO who was moving the team in the right direction. Very few good decisions have been made at Ferrari regarding the F1 team since he passed away.

They do still have a very competitive car which they've carried over from what was the fastest car at the start of last year, but that was really the minimum expectation given that they were 100% focused on the new regs while the only other teams with anything close to similar resources were fighting tooth and nail for the 2021 championship, which in itself was thanks to their continuous failings over the prior seasons. But even with a strong car, their repeated mistakes and poor quality assurance keep costing them.

Jordan 199 · 14-03-2023 02:54PM

There's going to be a documentary about Gilles Villeneuve and Didier Pironi on the 18th of March on Sky Documentaries.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-03-2023 08:37AM

This is a nice little hint at Red Bull's new aero work for 2023 while others are copying their 2022 concept

https://youtube.com/shorts/3tHoF9hLv9Q?feature=share

Jordan 199 · 15-03-2023 04:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120293428#Comment_120293428

I drove around the circuit without the chicane in Gran Turismo 7 yesterday. It was great not having to negotiate that last sh1tty chicane.

MadYaker · 15-03-2023 05:20PM

Hass Automation, the company Gene Haas owns, are in hot water for allegedly supplying equipment to sanctioned Russian companies. Poor old Gunther can't catch a break.

Hijpo · 15-03-2023 06:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362789#Comment_120362789

Throw back to Gunther after Mazepin in DTS

"F**King Russians, I have enough of f**King russians. No more Russians after this..."

El_Duderino 09 · 15-03-2023 10:31PM

Leclerc to get a 10 place grid penalty this weekend. He used 2 electronic control boxes in the weekend and needs a 3rd this week. The first failed on Sunday morning and the second failed causing the retirement in the race. They're only allowed 2 per season.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/leclerc-set-for-saudi-arabian-gp-grid-penalty-after-bahrainJesus Faithful Stagecoachengine-trouble/10443710/

PsychoPete · 16-03-2023 01:19AM

I honestly thought Ferrari would at least get to Canada before making a balls of the season

quokula · 16-03-2023 02:52PM

Yeah this looked likely after Bahrain, the only question was whether either of the two failed parts could be recovered or were completely lost.

We've seen this kind of thing happen a lot over the years, a team gets a DNF then they get doubly punished with a grid penalty next race. They should consider a change to the rules so that if a part fails and causes a DNF while running in the points during a race, you get +1 to your allocation.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-03-2023 03:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120366545#Comment_120366545

No more complicated rules. The first time a backmarker retires in the points when everyone else has pitted but before their own pitstop, then they get a new part without penalty, the usual ones would be here saying the rules are too complicated.

But why only reward frontrunners who spend all race in the points? Just leave it as it is. It's complicated enough without more rules

thefa · 16-03-2023 06:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120366545#Comment_120366545

Hear where you are coming from but at the end of the day, the limits are set out well in advance so up to teams to ensure they strike a balance between performance and reliability. It’s not all bad luck.

Hijpo · 16-03-2023 07:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120367248#Comment_120367248

How could it be that sainz wasn't effected by the failures but LeClerc was done twice.

tigerboon · 16-03-2023 07:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120364615#Comment_120364615

Maybe the focus and resources is on the WEC hypercar program this year. There's a huge budget gone into that as well and the LeMans centenary is this year, so a once off opportunity. Sebring tomorrow by the way.

dulpit · 16-03-2023 08:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120366545#Comment_120366545

I'd favour a rule that does not hurt a team if they lose a part due to an accident caused by somebody else. But anything else, even if it causes dnf, tough luck - build a better part..

El_Duderino 09 · 16-03-2023 09:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120367713#Comment_120367713

Can you imagine the controversial end of that? Who was at fault and was it 50:50 or 60:40 and then who gets to use new parts? And then when a driver gets a touch and is stuck in the barrier but isn't badly damaged and claims a new power unit because of the damage.

Complicating the rules is a very short term plan because the teams are not interested in the spirit of the rules, only what they can get away with.

thefa · 16-03-2023 09:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120367382#Comment_120367382

Sure you could argue LeClerc got unlucky relative to Sainz but I was discussing the component penalties as one poster was mentioning adjusting these rules for component caused DNFs if you were in the points.

Think the fact that the two of the same component failed in the first weekend says enough on reliability and the majority of the penalties taken by teams are down to more than bad luck from what I can tell.

Hijpo · 16-03-2023 10:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120367908#Comment_120367908

I think maybe if the stewards give a penalty to who they believe caused the accident and evidence submitted by teams to prove an engine failure or whatever due to the collision then the damaged parts are covered by this rule.

Hijpo · 16-03-2023 10:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120367958#Comment_120367958

My post wasn't regarding the rule, it was more a question in general. Two cars same components, but the components fail in quick succession on one of them. Extremely unlucky on LeClerc part or could they be running different energy store or CE?