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14-03-2023 01:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356919#Comment_120356919

Thats a possibility too,160000 mobiks,40 000 wagners,60000 seperatists DNR/LPR and 10000 Kadyrovites.but its just estimates

But whats for sure,is that Russia loses more soldiers attacking,than Ukraine defending,some say its 1/5 some say its as high as 1/7

jmreire · 14-03-2023 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356425#Comment_120356425

No its not a waste of time, its very important that all war crimes are recorded and cases built, for when and if cases come to trial. Because with out it, you have nothing. There has been several convictions stemming from the war in the former YU, Slobodan Milosevic being the most prominent one. Another one was the trial and conviction of Charles Taylor, the Liberian warlord, responsible for the deaths of thousands.

Bitcoin · 14-03-2023 01:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356697#Comment_120356697

It's always the same argument from the orc propagandists.

Best to lay down and let the rapist, stealing murders take whatever they want from Ukraine.

This orc propaganda has been very concerted in the last few weeks. I take it as an indicator that the orc position is actually much worse than what most people realize.

jmreire · 14-03-2023 01:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356653#Comment_120356653

Yes most likely ( but not 100% guaranteed) Putin and his cronies will ever be put on trial, but without it there's nothing, no deterrent, and even now the Hague is getting mentioned in RT with Solovyov and Margarita. So its something that they are thinking about, and its worrying them.

Wolf359f · 14-03-2023 01:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357228#Comment_120357228

Be careful with ratios, the 5/7:1 is specific to Bakhmut area, so may not be reflected on the entire Frontline. In the past week 1000 Russians were killed there, so potentially 140-200 Ukranians also. Bakhmut only accounts for roughly 20% of the casualty figures along the frontline.

Bitcoin · 14-03-2023 01:58PM

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1635426158903803904

In the real world of this war, orcs are complaining about 5 more tanks being destroyed in Ukrainian drone attacks 💣️

The real destructive NATO kit hasn't even arrived yet. The coming Ukrainian counter offensive is going to be a blood bath for orcs.

Wolf359f · 14-03-2023 02:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357277#Comment_120357277

Those racing drones with the RPG charges on them seem to be highly effective. Think there was video footage of one chasing a Russian BMP that had the rear door open with soliders inside.

jmreire · 14-03-2023 02:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357225#Comment_120357225

In this kind of situation, there's no such thing as a 100% safe road, just some that are less dangerous than others. I remember travelling on roads in Syria and Libya that were for sure not guaranteed 100% safe, but were thought to be "inactive", so that was about as much of a safety guarantee as you were likely to get. But they could and sometimes did turn "Active", without any warning. Like the two British volunteers travelling in and out of Vuledar, and who had done it many times, yet got caught. That route was considered safe.

14-03-2023 02:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357275#Comment_120357275

It was Bakhmut i was refering to and thats also where most casualties have been taken by both sides the last few months

Overall history always shows the attacker losing more regardless,from atleast 3/1 and up in the bigger picture,but that doesnt take into account artillery duels and human wave attacks,so again only estimates

14-03-2023 02:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356547#Comment_120356547

A year long fight against Russia will do that to you. There is still no other option than to fight the Muscovites. It's not a case of, 'we're running low on ammo, best to surrender to the Muscovite animals.'

Meanwhile the Muscovites busy on the front line are not being forgotten by the elite... such is the consideration of Putin for the love of culture he knows his front line troops enjoys, as they cannot get to visit museums back in Moscovy, he's bringing the museum to the front line... namely 1950s and 1960s tanks and BMPs. Well done Putin. Next he'll be so considerate to send hussars on horseback.

Gatling · 14-03-2023 02:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357187#Comment_120357187

That's exactly what it looks like, we've seen the same repeated on other temporary roads,the majority of the vehicles I've seen look to have been pancaked by tracked vehicles, very little evidence of strikes on vehicles from air or artillery strikes,

14-03-2023 02:24PM

As for war crimes tribunal... If you think Putin gets to travel freely you'd be mistaken - he for one wont travel to non friendly countries. Instead, he can go glamping (a toilet per one hundred people) in North Korea.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/mar/11/warcrimes

strathspey · 14-03-2023 02:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357237#Comment_120357237

Also, don't forget it allows the orcs to have a bargaining chip in the future. For example, once the orcs turn in on themselves they'll offer putler and co. to the ICC in exchange for the dropping of some sanctions.

Gatling · 14-03-2023 02:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357434#Comment_120357434

Putin will retire to his multibillion compound and will live out his days in comfort,the only other option is death,he would never be handed over to any international court

Rawr · 14-03-2023 02:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357399#Comment_120357399

Yea, I would be surprised to see him ever travel beyond the regular cohort of Russia-friendly nations in the future. North Korea might be the furthest he'll ever get from home.

Assuming he even survives the decade or this conflict, I doubt he'll be given to The Hague unless Russia takes a serious 180 in their governance, own up to their sins and surrender him as part of some future peace deal with the rest of the world. I'd love to see it of course, Putin would have to answer for his crimes and that hypothetical Russia I described would be a nation that has some hope of getting its act together.

However, in reality, I suspect he'll dig in and much like his gripping of tables he'll grip onto power as long as he can. One day, after a couple of bloody years of civil war in Russia, he'll probably be cornered in some drain-pipe like Gaddafi was and shot by a fellow Russian. Likely a Russian who's gone though a hell of Putin's making in the hollowed-out remains of what used to be his country but had been destroyed for the ego of one man.

I much prefer the first option. But that is down to the Russians themselves.

14-03-2023 02:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357452#Comment_120357452

I'm okay with either option, although preferably over a shorter timeframe.

Manic Moran · 14-03-2023 02:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120352963#Comment_120352963

For starters, a police investigation. The way the article is written, it could have been a bar fight. It seems to indicate the hotel staff denied him entry on dress code grounds, things may have escalated from there.

"we already had a US president who tries to dismantle NATO"

He was attempting to get NATO to properly fund its defense departments (whilst at the same time increasing the US's forward presence in Eastern Europe and the US Army's operations in Europe as a whole). His first National Security Strategy was a change in focus on his predecessor, specifically calling out Russia and China. I would submit that on this issue, at least, he was entirely right.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/president-trumps-new-national-security-strategy

President Trump's new National Security Strategy (NSS) deserves careful attention, particularly by America's allies and strategic partners and by those who deal with everything the President says or issues in terms of knee jerk criticism. It is a document that President Trump reviewed and altered in some depth and that represents his views—rather than a bureaucratic compromise. At the same time, it both expands on the classic themes of U.S. strategy—rather than rejects them—and commits the U.S. to playing its traditional role in leading the free world.

Rawr · 14-03-2023 02:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357484#Comment_120357484

Well that yea, ending this nonsense sooner is in everyone's best interest, not least of whom Ukraine. If they could just get their act together and feck off home, it would be great.

14-03-2023 02:58PM

They still keep forgetting about Ireland,allthough their 300 meter tsunami waves are russian fairytales

https://youtu.be/6hRz3qfWzqQ

14-03-2023 03:07PM

Ukrainans starting to learn combined arms and supressing fire,NATO style

This shows the importance of training

https://youtu.be/SJ1PhrZTCQo

Brussels Sprout · 14-03-2023 03:09PM

The first 10 minutes or so of this video are worth a watch. It basically explains why, due to geographic reasons, Crimea is such a difficult place to attack and goes through the history of attacks from various armies over the past 170 years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFYDYSYapz4&ab_channel=RealLifeLore

cnocbui · 14-03-2023 03:13PM

I have no idea, perhaps chbs could translate.

14-03-2023 03:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357708#Comment_120357708

Something coming out of pro russian troll accounts and misinformation id say

14-03-2023 03:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357677#Comment_120357677

No doubt it will be a tough task with heavy casualties,it always is in the attacking role,but remember others that tried troughout histoy, was before the time of satellites,intelligence,presicion guided munitions,drones and combined arms operations.

Bass Reeves · 14-03-2023 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357275#Comment_120357275

Be careful with this be careful with that. Sorry where the the conflict have the Russians not suffered horrendous casualties. In the race to Kiev this time last year they lost significant amounts of troops and materials. They had a plane load of paratroopers shot out of the air.

Probably in the second stage in the East during last spring they may have had the upper hand however they were still attacking and the UA probably inflicted significant casualties on them then as well. After that you had the boateen that was sunk. The static war during the early summer allowed the UA to use technology to inflict serious causalities again on the Russians even during the counter offencivies the UA were not using blunt attacks but rather rapid movement to drive back the Russians.

Them we have Bakhmut the gift that keeps on giving for the UA. There biggest fear is the Russian and Wagner group will disengage. So they keep putting the word out they are nearly beaten to try to prevent a retreat by the Russians.

The Russians have been getting the sh!t kicked out of them for most of the last year. 7-1 it is I say.

Remember it important to acknowledge

BAKHMUT HOLDS

Apiarist · 14-03-2023 04:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357708#Comment_120357708

The photoshopped text on the BMP says "Москаляку на гіляку", meaning "Muscovy to the branch (to hang)".

The TV subtitle is "VESTI. Ukrainian punishment battalion Ku Klux Klan in the name of Stepan Bandera". Vesti is a Russian TV studio.

Gatling · 14-03-2023 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357777#Comment_120357777

As fake as it comes, pretty poor effort at that

Gatling · 14-03-2023 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357661#Comment_120357661

But wait they are all inexperienced conscripts sent to the front without any training??

EltonJohn69 · 14-03-2023 04:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357160#Comment_120357160

“Amateurs talk tactics, experts talk logistics”

Igotadose · 14-03-2023 04:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357551#Comment_120357551

" His first National Security Strategy was a change in focus on his predecessor, specifically calling out Russia and China. I would submit that on this issue, at least, he was entirely right."

I'd submit he did a bollox job on trying to focus on China, to the world's eventual regret. China is much more of a menace now, than before Trump decided to call them names, blame the "Kung Flu" for Covid, insult them by banning flights, etc. There might've been more professional ways to achieve whatever it was he wanted with China, but too late now. And, with the Ukraine conflict, China are 'feeling their oats' catching the US on the back foot (cf. Iran/SA agreement). So, if anything, Trump made the threat from China worse.

On Russia, I don't know - he obviously was in Putlers good graces and got help with his election. Not sure much was accomplished wrt to Russia - they felt able enough to invade Ukraine. Maybe there were better ways to deal with RuZZia, but hindisght's 20:20 always and clearly other than the proverbial boot to the neck, there's not much RuZZia understands.

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