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Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Not necessarily, the slogans may open up new cash flow from e.g casual non Bohs fans supporting Palestine, even people from abroad. It’s definitely not as straightforward as no sponsor = no five dollar, even if some people like to pretend it is that straightforward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭Evade


    Guaranteed income from a sponsor or potential income from some imaginary customer that might buy a shirt from a club they don't support because of the political slogan. I'm no business tycoon but that doesn't seem like a sound business decision to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    A football club at this level isn’t a strictly for-profit organisation. They’re quite often community driven enterprises, that include charitable donations or drives.

    I think a lot of the confusion surrounding Bohs’ efforts to “give back” stems from the ultra-capitalistic culture in the Premier League, which is seen by many to be the prism through which Irish fans view the soccer world.

    Back before football was invented in 1992 the old First Division clubs in England were seen to be representative of their working class fans, as well as try to win trophies, as opposed to the purely commercial enterprises Premier League clubs are now.

    That’s why I, a person who has been a soccer fan for many decades, think it’s a good thing that an Irish soccer team would rather not fold then collapse under a multi-million euro debt, or have a slogan printed on their jersey that reflects the club’s and its values over Generic Multinational Corp Inc’s logo printed all over it. Chasing profit at the expense of accumulating debt does not a well-run club make.

    In short: once upon a time supporting a club used to mean something, and I don’t think it’s “woke” to harken back to those days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The level of narcissism, I feel really sorry for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭Evade


    It doesn't have to be a generic multinational sponsor, it's usually a decent sized localish business isn't? Palestine isn't exactly a local endeavour either.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    "Better than going under" is your definition of a well-run club?

    Right so.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    They have a sponsor on the kit. This is just a fiver a sale (or whatever it works out as) to charity. Not a big deal financially, and if it drives sales, it'd pay for itself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Yes, when the only other option is going under. How do you not get that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It’s very much a for profit organisation 😅 and… It’s a for success organisation. Bizarre that this requires an explanation for you.

    See, the only way in modern football that you can be successful is by having the resources to invest in the club… for players, coaching staff, facilities and so on, that will enable you to compete on and off the pitch for trophies. ;). Competitive sport… remember ! 👍🏻

    “We made the decision to allow our shirt to be used as a platform, alongside Amnesty International, to highlight a very real and pressing issue in Ireland today, that of Direct Provision,” said the Bohemians director, Daniel Lambert. “This builds on a deep and lasting relationship we have built with MASI [Movement of Asylum Seekers in Ireland] and through multiple engagements with people living in Direct Provision.”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    “Compete on and off the pitch for trophies?”

    Utter nonsense. Anyway, profit doesn’t necessarily mean success or that a club is being run well. Manchester City and Chelsea aren’t profitable and they’ve been a massive success in the past twenty years, likewise Arsenal have been profitable and they’ve won fück all lately. Bohs shirts have had exactly zero effect on their performances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Chelsea have millions of revenue to invest in their team. Look who owns them, they don’t ‘need’ to be profitable Abramovic and now an organization called blueco headed by Todd Bohley, a billionaire 🤪 Bohs are 100% owned by members and supporters.

    A billionaire hanging around is not a luxury Bohs have, this also needs explaining.. great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭Evade


    Are Bohs owned by Sheiks or Russian oligarchs? If not there's probably a difference in how profitable they need to be to stay afloat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Truth but there is what is needed to bring them from footballing mediocrity (although a good win earlier) , to a team and club of winners… you cannot do that if you are cutting off one of your revenue streams. And haemorrhaging cash from a club with a history of debt due to bad management….



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    A well-run club doesn't get to the stage where it has to sell its main asset - and lose a major income stream in the process - just to survive.

    This isn't rocket science here...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,731 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    That would depend on the appeal of the industry.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    This probably deserves a thread of its own.

    "Sensitivity writers" who take offence on the readers behalf are rewriting Roald Dahl's books. At the worst this is book burning. I just don't see how the updated versions can be sold as a Roald Dahl original when the contents have be twisted and mangled to the point its no longer the same book. What next , rewriting Shakespeare for a modern audience?


    Authors and publishers warn that ‘sensitive readers’ are destroying books

    Writers have warned against the dangers of “sensitive readers” editing or removing language from books they find offensive.

    Such readers review manuscripts prior to publication to raise concerns about language they find unacceptable.

    Authors and publishers have said the practice risks destroying the art of writing through overzealous censorship, The Times reported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I was about to post the same article- is it wokeism or snowflakeism?

    Either way, it’s pathetic. Books of the past should not be interfered with- I’m wondering is this a simple marketing ploy to rerelease Dahls books to a 21st century new audience of young people in a way that will enable them to embrace such books - in other words, not motivated by wokeism per se, but by pounds shillings and pence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    This is actually genuinely angering.

    One of the most beloved authors of all time is having his work tampered with by a bunch of pathetic little idiots who can't seem to find joy in anything.

    One phrase that is being removed is when Ms Trunchbull is described as a "Formidable Female" with the world female now being removed as apparently it's offensive (to idiots I guess) of course the people doing this fail to realize that the word female is probably chosen instead of woman to describe Ms Trunchbull in this instance due to alliteration . Of course idiots doing this sort of editing don't appreciate literature and therefore would never recognise subtleties like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,054 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Mrs. Twit is no longer "ugly"... Wonder how they'll rewrite this whole passage:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    What next , rewriting Shakespeare for a modern audience?

    Been done, numerous times -

    https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/why-we-mostly-stopped-messing-with-shakespeares-language



    A combination of all three really, I do wonder how they’ll deal with Miss Trunchbull throwing children about the place like an Olympic shot putter, sadly lacking in every adaptation of the book 😂

    https://mashable.com/article/matilda-the-musical-movie-review



    Bastards must have changed the book since I read it, where Miss Trunchbull is described as something else altogether -

    The head teacher, the boss, the supreme commander of this establishment, was a formidable middle-aged lady whose name was Miss Trunchbull.

    https://www.caldmore.attrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2021/01/Chapter-7.pdf



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    It's called bowdlerisation, after Thomas Bowdler, who rewrote Shakespeare in the early 19th century to remove offence.


    No less stupid now than then of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    The re-writing has being going on for ages - Enid Blyton's books were tampered with from the mid-1980s onwards.

    The simple way around it is don't buy these books new. Look for second hand copies of older editions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Seems like they haven't got a notion about the game at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭Rothko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,470 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Heard about this PC BS gone mad about Roald Dahl books. He'd be absolutely disgusted by this. I can remember as a kid he was reluctant to let his books be turned into movies, despite the offers, and he was unhappy with how Charlie and the Chocolate Factory turned out. This world has gone mad. I ####### hate it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    That’s superb writing- there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that passage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I wonder how 5 go mad in Dorset by the comic strip presents would go down with the snowflakes these days

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Go_Mad_in_Dorset



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭thegame983


    The lack of talent it must take to rewrite someones elses work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog



    The word 'enormous' is still too offensive. I'd go with 'pleasantly plump' as a replacement meself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,289 ✭✭✭Cordell


    With the fat removed his books are now an even lighter read.

    badumtss



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It wasn’t that he was reluctant to let his books be turned into movies, it was that he knew he wouldn’t have full control over the project. He was delighted at the idea of having his ideas about gremlins turned into a movie, but Walt Disney couldn’t secure exclusive rights to the original idea and ended up eventually shelving the project, leaving Dahl feeling butthurt -

    https://www.waltdisney.org/blog/gremlins-and-tale-two-storytellers



    Curiously enough, had it not been for the fact that his editor completely re-wrote Matilda, Dahl would not have enjoyed anything like the success that he did -

    In 1985, the 71-year old Dahl began to fall seriously ill and his mind had started to go. A plagiarism incident revolving around a story he had stolen tarred his name and his writing became at the same time roundly terrible and excessively sexual. It is no wonder that his first effort at Matilda was so different from the classic we know today. A row with Roxburgh after he had incorporated all of the man's work on the book drove Dahl to another publisher for it, and Matilda was released by Viking instead, immediately selling more than any book Dahl had ever written.

    http://thisrecording.com/today/2011/6/1/in-which-we-consider-the-macabre-unpleasantness-of-roald-dah.html

    Undoubtedly Dahl had a talent for writing of books for children, but they would never have been published at all had they not been toned down in order that adults would buy the books for children, or stock them in libraries. I don’t care much for his personal life, I take his works on their own merits.



  • Registered Users Posts: 395 ✭✭animalinside


    Remember how back in the old days to be convicted of sexual assault - having a trial and having to make a plea deal and getting fired from your job as a result of it - would tend to involve some sort of... actual physical contact?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,470 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    This gets worse and worse the more I hear about it. You can't call a spade a spade anymore. Even to say that could be misinterpreted and misconstrued. Some people want to live in a deluded alternate reality. What happened to this world?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,507 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Hans Christian Andersen, the brothers Grimm, Tolkien, Lewis, Blyton, Dahl et al.

    Their genius was to entertain and instruct about the challenges and sometimes horrors of real life. To make young people think and rationalise and be righteous and to instinctively fight for the weak. 200 years ago, they gave kids credit for the intelligence we all know they have.

    Now, we have become so unenlightened, we will sanitise the World so much for the children, that when they get to adulthood, they will fail when really challenged.

    And so, that kind of thinking must itself be challenged, before our kids turn into helpless, anxiety driven husks. With allergies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Nope, and even prior to it being considered sexual assault in 1990, it was the common law offence of indecent assault. Didn’t require physical contact then either -


    Sexual Assault

    Sexual Assault is merely the new name for the common law offence of indecent assault, as named by s 2 of the Criminal Law (Rape) Amendment Act 1990. Thus the common law offence continues to exist under a new name, on a statutory footing. The penalty imposable for sexual assault is a fine or up to ten years imprisonment. This rises to fourteen years imprisonment where the victim is under seventeen.

    It will be recalled that the actus reus of assault is the application of force without consent; or causing someone to fear the immediate application of such force. It is the circumstances of the assault, which mark it out as sexual, or not. Obviously a sexual element to an assault will take it into an entirely more serious realm than regular assault.

    https://citycolleges.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/08/Criminal-Law-2020_KI-1.pdf


    The tribunal heard that, regarding the second allegation of sexual harassment against Mr Leahy, Ms X had accused him of miming the act of oral sex at her across the bar during a karaoke party.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2023/01/21/sacked-trinity-manager-drops-reinstatement-bid-after-wrc-says-he-must-discuss-sexual-assault/


    Nothing woke about that, yer man’s just an idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Just need to protect them from the absolute woke virus, doesn’t see a jab for that is likely, a pity.

    Will they next start rewriting history books ? If fiction is a legitimate target… people certainly get ‘offended’ by the truth and certain certainties of life…

    I loved Dahl growing up, but if they are going to rename the Cloud-Men in James And The Giant Peach to become Cloud-People.… 🤪why not decide that it was incorrect of Dahl to not include LGBT people / characters, trans people…. In XX years you’ll have some goon demanding rewrites to make the original books *drum roll*… ‘ more inclusive ‘…🙈🥳🔔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,507 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    History books?

    Jesus, the history books are the least trustworthy of all writing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 395 ✭✭animalinside


    yera go 'way - you know what I mean One Eyed Jack and frankly seems like you are one of them for this incident.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,210 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    I've only briefly read what happened in the incident, but I doubt the lady was fearing the immediate application of force without consent. Not denying the guy is an absolute bellend, but what happened doesn't seem to be covered by what you posted there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    There is a big difference between rewriting a book after getting help from your editor before publication and re-writing a book long after the publication and after the author is dead.Almost all books are rewritten as they go through the editing process before publication.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,153 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    We're one step away from burning them now. Disgraceful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,054 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Maybe I missed it in the article but it didn't actually say what he did to get charged with sexual assault on the American tourist. I thought the mining a sex act related to former colleague and she filed a sexual harassment complaint. Or did I completely misread the whole article?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    There’s an even bigger difference between what you’re describing, and what actually happened in reality - Dahl’s publisher completely rewrote Matilda, and there was a falling out between them, and Dahl took his editor’s version to a new publisher, where it became one of his most successful works. If the original had been published, it would have been as successful as his previous efforts, and then we wouldn’t be discussing Dahl specifically today because he’d be as likely to have been heard of as the many millions of authors of children’s books who we’ve never heard of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭DaithiMa


    You do realise that Matilda was published in 1988? Charlie and The Chocolate Factory was published in 1964, James and the Giant Peach in 1962.

    The BFG is his his best ever seller and that was published in 1982, six years before Matilda. Some reach to say nobody would have heard of him only for his editor rewriting one of his last ever books. In fact, I'd say it's a nonsensical claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I do realise that, yes. I also realise that interest in his books was driven by the the popularity of the film and musical adaptations he hated. I also realise that you’re ignoring the significant gap between the time when his other works were published and he wasn’t able to support his family, and Matilda -

    • Over the last few years, sales of Matilda have surpassed the combined sales of the rest of Dahl’s works

    https://wordsrated.com/roald-dahl-statistics/


    Had Netflix not bought the rights to his works, in 40 years time only the ultra-woke would be familiar with his works, and Dahl if he were alive would still be butthurt about never having gotten the recognition he felt he deserved as an author of books for adults.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    Dahl was successful for many many years before Matilda was released.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    I doubt Dahl hated the film adaptation of Matilda as he died in 1990 and the film was released in 1996.

    I don't know how Dahl supported his family based on Matilda it was published in 1988 when his youngest child was 23, and Dahl died in 1990 so it played no role in supporting his family either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭DaithiMa


    Your exact words: "We wouldn’t be discussing Dahl specifically today because he’d be as likely to have been heard of as the many millions of authors of children’s books who we’ve never heard of"

    Now, you are saying that in 40 years nobody would have heard of him bar the 'ultra woke'. Which is it?

    Also on that link you posted it does indeed claim that Matilda might be the best seller of 'the last few years' (a very vague claim with zero numbers/citations to back it up).

    On the same page it states that he has sold over a quarter of a billion books, James and the Giant Peach' sold 12 million, Charlie and the Choc factory 13 million, the BFG 37 million copies. Matilda has sold 17 million. With those numbers I'm sure a few will still know who is is in 40 years time.

    And can you show me any figures for book sales pre and post movie releases? Not sure I believe that claim that 'interest in the books was driven by movies and musicals' either.



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