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RTE Salaries 2020/2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ make little in terms of over all profit most of their profit over the last number of years has been due to the gov returning revenue to them

    2018 - TG4 portion of the license returned (worth €8m)

    2020 - €10 extra in funding from the exchequer because they said they'd close lyric.

    2022 - The move of the NSO and Choirs to the NCH worth about €8m also

    That's not mentioning the return of some funding from the Dept of Soc Protection.

    Check how much RTÉ Radio 1 bring in each year €14m ? You think Joe is bring in more than half of that? Read their annual report folks all of the figures are available to you. Just brush past the DG and Chairs waffle and the PR at the beginning to to the finacial section, its all brokendown for the world to see.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,451 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Almost no discussion on RTE radio about the ridiculous salaries today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly


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    Not really sure the disparity, I assume network sales and some programme sales but I think both should be above? Oh and Yes outside a snap general election Special events are know a number of years in advance e.g. Local Elections, Olympics, World Cups... I think I could be wrong but they take place every 5 to 4 years, but you know schedule events probably doesn't have the same ring.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Expunge


    Fair play to Emma O'Kelly and the NUJ in RTE. They're not leaving this salary thing go, much to the annoyance of some of the old boys club in there, apparently. Sean O'Rourke was said to be not best pleased when she first raised it a few years ago. I can't imagine George Lee is too happy about it either.

    Drives the General Sec. of the union, Seamus Dooley nuts as well.

    Union representing workers at RTÉ sticks to its guns over motion on ‘exorbitant’ salaries - Independent.ie

    "In a tweet posted on Wednesday when RTÉ released details of the earnings of it’s highest paid stars, the National Union of Journalists’ sub-branch – the NUJ Dublin Broadcasting branch – wrote: “NUJ members in RTÉ oppose inflated salaries. In 2019 we agreed no one in the broadcaster should be earning more than the top civil service salary (that’s c €216,000, still a lot!). This remains our position.”

    “We note that the Netherlands has introduced a law that prohibits anyone working in the public or semi-public sector from earning more than €187,000, by pegging all top salaries to that of the country’s Prime Minister. This figure includes allowances etc.

    “This measure, which includes those working at the Dutch public broadcaster, was introduced as a result of growing social outrage at high salaries."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #



    Check how much RTÉ Radio 1 bring in each year €14m ?

    Perhaps you could point out in the report where it states this? I don't see it.

    I do see where the network brought in €130M in advertising and related sales. I find it very hard to believe that Radio1 would only account for around 10% of this but I'll await your correction.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    RTE player had 67 million streams, the News app had 149 million visits, but you believe their TOP radio show had less than 500 replays in the whole year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Just posted, I had to go back and double check also seem like very little around 15m. in the PDF Page 116 (aka 114). but post above your post.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    That's SURPLUS on commercial activity. Not REVENUE on commercial activity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So what would the disparity be? Radio 1

    Programming Cost   - 27,293,000

    Transmission Cost    - 5,879,000

    2RN Power Charge   - 1,042,000

    =====================================

    Total Cost       - 35,540,000

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    Commercial Surplus   + 15,690,000

    Redistribution      + 1,810,000

    Public Funding      + 18,323,000

    =====================================

    Total Income      + 35,823,000

    =====================================

    Loss before License Fee - 18,040,000

    Profit/Loss      + 283,000

    If Joe Duffy was bring in €8m you'd need 4 to 5 similar presenters to be able to cover the cost of Radio 1 based on the figures above. Meaning no need for Licence Fee Funding!


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  • Posts: 491 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If Ray Darcy's salary was cut to 40k tomorrow, what's he going to do except accept it ? Today FM aren't going to bring him back, (Dermot and Dave have as many listeners now as he had at the end) Newstalk have no room for him. So where else could he end up? Would Classic Hits take a punt on him ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Well, the radio1 cost for the year was around €35m leaving a commercial surplus of €15m. Wouldn't that mean a total income revenue of c. €50m? That would be a more realistic ratio of the €135m total network income.

    You have to remember that RTE is a not-for-profit organisation. They have to spend whatever they make. They will never show large profits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I only see O'Callaghan having the ability to move to Newstalk, she might be lucky to take on the TONIGHT show on Virgin Media but in effect they are using staff.

    Most radio stations are doing well and have their schedules tided up with other presenters. There is potential that Moncrief could go from NEWSTALK his numbers while up are generally not great, but that is the only slot that I could see being taken over by and of the top 10 earners in RTÉ.

    I can't see him dropping to €40k ever but he possibly should have been offered why Mooney was getting for his show and Winning Streak.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    TBH I don't care about RTÉ make a profit or loss, they just need to make content.

    If revenue is €135m and your suggesting that Radio 1 brings in €50m your suggesting that of the commercial services it earns over the average

    Taking it that there are 9 main revenue streams

    1. TV Ad sales for RTÉ 1
    2. and 2,
    3. Radio ad sales for Radio 1,
    4. 2fm
    5. and Lyric,
    6. online advert sales,
    7. other commerical services such as programmes sales
    8. and network sales.

    (Include sponsorship for TV and Radio Ads). that would mean an average of 15m per stream of revenue. Vast majority of ad sales comes from TV

    Radio advertising in 2022 for Ireland came to €158m, total TV advertising came to €281.5 in 2021. total 439.5

    148M in 2022 for RTÉ (but not just for TV and Radio). 33% of all advertsing and if we say that RTÉ has 33% of all radio advertising we get €52m across Radio 1, 2fm and Lyric. 30M over the surplus figure.


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  • Posts: 491 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RTE pouched Darcy when he was years past his sell by date and his Today FM istenership was in decline. The time to have pouched him was the mid 00s to replace Gareth O'Callaghan on 2fm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    That's what they published, I didn't pluck that from thin air. There was a thread on it at the time.

    I see you ignored all the faults in your own post though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    The Player had 67 million streams? 65million+ of that was people starting it and restarting it multiple times only to give up because it didn't work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    That's what they published

    Where? Was it 20 years ago? 250 or so shows broadcast live per year, >300,000 live listeners per day, and you reckon only TWO people on avg per show listen back later? Two?

    I see you ignored all the faults in your own post though.

    I gave the rate card prices and what it could yield per hour (btw, the limit is 10 min/hr not 9). I have no doubt the show is taking in several million per year but I look forward to listening to it later and maybe not hearing ANY commercial ads as you stated earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The BAI Rules Advertising and Teleshopping (Daily and Hourly Limits) apply to certain radio and television broadcasters within the jurisdiction of the Republic of Ireland. In practical terms, this includes commercial radio and television services, community radio and television services as well as institutional and temporary radio services. The rules do not apply to services provided by the public service broadcasters RTÉ or to TG4 nor do they apply to other services commonly received in this country but licensed in the United Kingdom or in other jurisdictions.

    Commerical Radio and TV - BAI

    RTÉ Radio - Oireachtas AFIAK control this

    RTÉ TV and TG4 - The Minister sets the rates


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    I gave it 45 minutes. Never again! What drivel. It's like Jeremy Kyle on radio.

    Commercial ads in every ad slot though and a promo for an upcoming program (something every other TV and Radio station does) and the promo actually named the show sponsor and ditty about the company so actually a paid promo for their own show. So I'll stand over what I said earlier, the show is making more than enough to justify his salary especially coupled with the few TV docs etc he does throughout the year.


    @RoTelly The rules do not apply to services provided by the public service broadcasters RTÉ or to TG4 - I stand corrected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    You listen once and therefore that applies to every show. Right. 🙄

    Did you hear any of the promotions and competitions you mentioned too? On a show that doesn't have any.........



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    @Scotty # yeah it is one of those things the sponsorship, basically if you are promoting your own TV/Radio show it doesn't count towards the number of ads spot ads allowed, so not only do you get the sting at the start and end of the show and the breaks but you also will be sold the idea that you ad will play out during other programmes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    I have listened to the show on occasion, usually when if pops up on my Spotify recommendations (another source of income and listener for radio1?) that's what formed my earlier opinion of it. It's the same old shite in every show, Joe plays the innocent thick while having callers with differing opinions argue with each other. It's a Jeremy Kyle/Jerry Springer style of hosting. Obviously it's popular, but it's not for me.

    I couldn't believe yesterday that he'd spent the whole 45 mins that I'd listened to talking about Tiger Woods and his joking with a friend. I couldn't listen to any more. Someone told me later, they spent the rest of the show talking about it too!

    Regarding the ads, I don't believe for a second that there are days that the show runs no commercial adverts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Right, so I and the other posters (regular listeners btw) who said the same thing are all lying?

    On the Liveline thread there used to be many posters who posted an “adwatch” post after every ad break. It was a regular occurrence that there were commercial (non RTÉ) ad breaks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,610 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I heard the last 30min of that particular episode.

    It was a tough listen.

    Hearing several women shouting over the top of each other. And one was incredibly triggered and hysterical about a practical joke 2 friends several thousand miles away played on each other, as if they did it just to offend her.

    Its high time people tried to worry less about trivial things happening in the world, or getting upset on behalf of half the world's population.



  • Posts: 491 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is an interesting piece of history, RTE top earners 20 years ago https://www.irishtimes.com/news/rte-reveals-salaries-of-top-presenters-1.1138769



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Sorry formal wasn't working on some of those under €200k

    also sorted by 2021 and then by 21 year total (AKA 20 year total for those who can count!)

    Tubs has not quite caught up on Pat!

    Updated correctly Yellow indicates no longer at RTÉ.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭hawley


    Tubridy was in RTE in 2002 and 03 but hasn't any wage listed for those years. It's staggering when you see how much money they've drawn from RTE in these years. And then they pretend to empathise with ordinary people. It's utterly vile.

    Communication was the greatest fatality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    728K for Pat Kenny?? Presumably Newstalk had to better that to prise him away but that is a ridiculous amount of money. Given Pat's actual talents, as opposed to the pseudo-talent of Tubs and Lord Tubs he is still better value than those two spoofers though



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    IMO that was a bit of jiggery-pokery from RTÉ. The year Pat left RTÉ (mid-year) he earned 728,000, part of that was a bonus for finishing his 5 year contract.

    Just look at Claire Byrne, she earned 188,000 in 2012, for what her daytime show was cancelled in March of that year, when did she join Prime Time? 2013? Was she working on Radio for RTÉ in 2012?

    And you can imagine that the "Today" tv show presenters are just missing out on the top ten. 2 of whom are parttime. .. sorry they are all part time with a 4 month summer break!

    Also Gerry Ryan died 30 April 2010, he earn 336,000, I assume some insurance or assurance ???


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