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And what are Ukraine's supporters doing?

Promise: January 7, 2023· - Finland is ready to provide Ukraine with Leopard 2 battle tanks if Europe gives it the green light, Antti Hakkianen, chairman of the defense committee in Finland, said..

Reality: Finland has not yet pledged tanks to Ukraine. Welt referenced a recent Wall Street Journal article from Feb. 9 in which a senior NATO official was quoted as saying Finalnd would likely not make such a commitment until it was granted NATO membership... The governments of the Netherlands and Denmark have announced that neither country will deliver Leopard-2 tanks, reports the German news source Welt.

Promise: UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has formally requested British Secretary of Defence Ben Wallace look into which RAF combat jets could be supplied to the Ukraine Air Force, following an announcement that London will offer to train Ukrainian fighter pilots for the first time.(months earlier Liz Truss had urged that fighter jets be supplied to Ukraine by it's allies, Boris has said the same thing)

Reality: Defence secretary Ben Wallace has said it could be years before the UK gives any fighter jets to Ukraine. The cabinet minister suggested it was likely that president Volodymyr Zelensky may even have to wait until the war with Russia was over before British aircraft was supplied.

Promise: The Netherlands foreign minister suggested they might supply F-16s to Ukraine, then they said they hadn't received a request for them, now that they have received the request, it's...

Reality: Dutch Defense Minister Kajsa Ollongren said Ukraine has formally requested the F-16 from the Netherlands.

“We have to debate this with our partners and also the United States,” she said. “This is something that will take time, and it is best done behind closed doors.” Ukraine is “very aware” that a decision will take time, Ollongren said.

That's a big no then.

This seems to be happening across the board, little green shoots of a couple weeks ago are all now witherd, brown and dead, as if someone's been going around in the shadows, spraying them with roundup. Either they are all suddenly caving to Putin's threats or someone else is changing their minds.

Given what I said earlier about the seeming strangeness of the US advising Ukraine to give Putin Bakhmut, and even earlier how every modern system they are giving them all had to be manufactured from scratch to have it's capabilities neutered, and now what looks to me to be them putting pressure behind the scenes to limit how much other countries are helping, I'm getting a feeling the US doesn't want Ukraine to win, despite what it says.

97% of Orc army in Ukraine and they are supposed to prevail without Jets, long range missiles, drones or warships.

And before someone tries to correct me on my misunderstanding about the long range missiles, I think i understand perfectly well, and it's GLSDBs, 9 months from now after they have been manufactured.

And for a still steaming, freshly deposited pile of dung, you really can't do any better than this:

The game Switzerland seem to be playing here is classic. In the face of criticism and a lowering of international opinion, they loudly announce they are considering changing their ways; they have seized Orc assetts to the tune of €17 billion, a third of the total in the country; they are re-evauating their neutrality and will look to supporting Ukraine with armamaents transferred to Germany (those armaments stay in Germany, they don't go to Ukraine, Germany sends them different ones - no, seriously...) because it's values are European and in alignment with their own.

And then later on, much more quietly, after the hook has been set in people's minds that Switzerland are one of the good guys agian: sorry, constitution says nein...

Sounds like its only a matter of time before Ukraine falls. it would be best if they just surrendered for the citizen and infrastructures sake.

Did you draft this post eleven and a half months ago???

Or perhaps you can provide some evidence to justify this view.

And hook line and sinker, they all take the bait - again.

Yeah the last I read was that most fake accounts used are being operated by massive numbers of people, but I still don't think those people have been tasked with targetting Boards.ie but hey, I could be wrong. If they are, that is a fightening extension of such a programme.

If they need a milatary jeep but they don't have a military jeep then a 10 year old Clio will do until they can get their hands on a military jeep. Ditto for a 15 year old Clio, or even a bike, each of which is still better than nothing for transporting soldiers. It's quite simple really.

The biggest issue is one part wishful thinking and one part opinions pieces where so called experts are saying one thing based not a lot of actual varifed information,

We all knew F16s weren't going to happen anytime soon ,we all knew that the UK doesn't have spare latest generation fighters to spare,the have 100 typhoons if they even had 25 to send in reality they would need to send double that for spares and some to be cannibalized for parts in a hurry,

It's the same with tanks , plenty of wishful thinking,ah sure they can just drive a few hundred lepoard tanks across Europe and into ukraine, never mind the actual real world logistics, training and spares that have to be prepared months in advance,and that's before ukraine builds secure infrastructure to keep said tanks , maintaince and spares part storage,

We knew for best part of the last year they wouldn't be sending long range weapons, but that doesn't stop people making excuses bases off media sources as to where and whats causing delays ,

It's a simple case of people need to calm down a little when it comes to stuff being put out,

For instance we know Denmark, Portugal and another country has said No they won't be sending Leopard 2s to ukraine Instead they are focusing on providing finance to prepare the 100 or so Leopard 1 tanks sitting in private storage somewhere,

Because most western countries do not have sufficient operable stocks of their own so that they may give much away to Ukraine.

The west has de-industrialised over the past 30 years and de-armed too*, and now they realised what a stupid idea it was to do that. Much easier to cut defence spending and increase welfare and other vote winners than to take defence forces seriously. It happened everywhere, none worse than Ireland. Even the UK army, RAF, Navy are now being exposed as massively under-strength and in need of serious investment. The Russo-Ukrainian conflict is setting off alarm bells all over Europe and in the Pentagon because of how low stocks are of key weapons and ammunition, particularly artillery shells.

*not totally de-armed/industrialised of course, but massively down from previous levels

At first glance your post looks like it belongs in the batshit crazy box. But seeing as putin has been threatening to use nuclear weapons for some time maybe it's an option worth considering.

Nooo.

Not the nukes again,this just triggers the usual suspects,let's not get involved in Ukraine he has nukes 😂

He's fairly knowledgable but his predictions are often very outlandish and I suspect purposely so to sell his books/for clicks. His views are overly pro-american, the future is always bright for the US but bleak for everyone else. He recently predicted that China would fail in 10 years and Russia in 20 or so due to their rapidly aging demographics, which is why he thinks Putin has pushed for this expansion now as the military age group will rapidly dwindle in the coming years.

He speaks very confidently and is often correct but hes one you need to take with a pinch of salt at times.

The guy provides analysis to the US Govt, so to be given some credit. Not Joe Rogan obviously, Peter Zeihan. Why it's important to listen to the guest and not the host, but sometimes it's best to avoid both depending on the episode.

I meant the other connotation of promise - an expectation of favourable future circumstance. 'she showed great promise.'