It's just moving onto a new rathole after mudspud sh!t their pants multiple times over rt access.
There's no discussion, just explaining the same thing in simpler and simpler terms while polluting the thread.
Things will likely get more difficult. The Ukrainians are doing superhuman stuff.
For the third time or fourth time, they need vehicles. With wheels. Ideally military vehicles, but in the absence of those, normal cars will do. You do realise that behind the lines they have roads, aka 80% of the country and personnel need to get around. Get from A to B. For that they don't need a Hmmvv, which would be needed near the front, a Clio will do that job.
If Ukraine want to win they should trade territory for lives - russian lives. Let the Russians take territory after a long time and at huge military expense, and eventually they will have degraded their fighting capability so much that the Ukrainians can retake all lost territory with ease.
Bakhmut was worth defending when it was part of a greater defensive line - now that is no longer the case. After losing Soledar in the north and Klishciivka to the south, the entire city is within artillery range as are 2/3 supply roads. There is nowhere safe in bakhmut any longer which is why journalists have now been denied access to the city as of a day or 2 ago.
Continuing to pour reinforcements into Bakhmut will degrade their ability to launch a counteroffensive later on in the campaign, which is why US and others are recommending against it. They need to be at full strength once the Bradleys & Leopards and other material arrives, no good having all the equipment if you dont have enough fit and ready soldiers to use it.
An interesting report in the Guardian today about software that generates & controls fake accounts. These bot accounts don't just replicate and spread stories, it seems they are also capable of making up coherent replies a la ChatGPT type software.
Given the international nature of this thread, you'd wonder if a few of the users who pop up here are not examples of above. Of course more likely to be actual human Russian sympathisers, but you couldn't rule out ai generated replies either from several. When you keep an eye on this thread over several months, you sense a certain pattern and patter in some users responses. A predictability. There the ones I'd be thinking could be ai bots. Anyone else think?
If Latvia seems to think it will be helpful, and Ukraine does too, given that "you can't see" perhaps you shouldn't be second guessing it without foundation based on exactly nothing?
By you comments its easy to see that you have never lived or worked in a war zone, and that's for certain sure!! You simply haven't a clue.
Touché as they say - obviously hit a wee nerve with yer man there and no smoke without fire. Some rant off him, if the translation is good. Also note he claims to have spent 40 days on the 'frontline'. What frontline I wonder and where and when? Seems to be about all the time, has he been gone for lengthy periods in last year?
As for his sons, off with them to die for Russia - you can just hear his viewers muttering.
The US exhortations that Ukraine abandon Bakhmut don't make sense to me.
Their narrative goes; conserve your resources, let them have it as it has no strategic value, concentrate on readying your forces for the big push, stall for time while all the training on the new goodies is going on.
I understand it in terms of what is being said at face value, and it makes sense for a couple of seconds, but when I think it through, I run into a few snags in the logic. The big one is, why do the Orcs stop at Bakhmut, as if that's all they want to achieve? Why wouldn't they just roll over it and keep on going, using the advantage you just handed them?
Ukrainian intelligence believes Putrid's current aim is to take and consolidate all of Donetsk and Luhansk, which makes sense as being the point you want to be at when you then start getting very serious about suggesting peace, which as we know, means we keep what we hold.
So I don't see why they magically stop at Bakhmut when they want all of Donetsk. They would keep going and you have gained nothing as this magic moment of a lull in fighting where you get to conserve your forces doesn't actually happen, and you have just handed them the advantage of having the infrastructure and cover of Bakhmut while they continue to push west, while you are now in the open. Resisting the take-Donetsk push does not get easier if you give up on every engagement of attrition and hand every settlement over while you are back to fighting in the open and they have the cover.
Surely the US suggestion isn't because they actually want Putrid to achieve his aims and the inevitable suing for peace, because that's the whiff I am getting from this suggestion to give up Bakhmut.
The Ukrainians are not stupid, and the fact they are steadfastly refusing to follow the US 'advice' on this suggests to me they probably don't see the point to it either.
How is what I "want" relevant to this dicussion? Why do you want to know what I want?
I would imagine they need MILITARY vehicles. You know, jeeps, trucks, armoured cars, etc. I can't see what use they'd get from a 10 year old Renault Clio. Maybe they can set up an Uber service in Western Ukrainian cities.
For a gang that know how they work, you'd think they'd stop helping them out and giving them the win by responding to their provocations endlessly.
I feel that collectively the gang here could damn near write the book on how these trolls work based on the past year we’ve had on this forum :P
Speaking of enough is enough… those in the Kremlin no longer think the head honcho is a master strategist… how they’ve come to that conclusion is of course a mystery.
I'd say that there are hunter killer subs US and RN trailing these alll the time and if an attack was certain they might be destroyed before they could launch. The US has 21 newer types. Still nobody would want to take the chance if it can be avoided.
One could hope for a repeat of the Eastern front in 1917 where the Russian army disintegrated because of a collapse of morale and mass desertion. They would save their own lives as well if they said “f**k this” and decided to go home.
Sure they could, they have the non- nuclear capabilities to do so if they wanted, but if there was one trigger for full scale nuclear war for Putin, this would be it. He would push the button to end it all, world wide. Why do you think that the US/UK/EU are being so careful about the range of the weapons they are supplying to Ukraine? The last thing they want is to give Putin the justification to launch nuclear weapons.
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Thanks for this BR. Good to hear that he is chairman of the All Russian Officers Assembly. Top Brass. Sounds like he's voicing the opinions of all of them. Hopefully we're entering the "enough is enough" stage.
This is quite spectacular!
Ever wondered how the Ukrainians are slaughtering Orcs at around a thousand a day? Just watch - one tank vs 30 Orcs.
Just the top 4 Borei class balistic missile submarines, each have 16 RSM-56 missiles. Each missile can have 6 warheads. Each warhead is 10 times the yield of the Hiroshima bomb.
So imagine your great plan goes down, and two of these submarines fire their missiles, one at the US and the other at Europe. That's 96 cities and towns in the US gone and likewise in Europe.
That's a real winning plan you have there, is it not?
Oh, and the 16 subs beneath those 4, well they all are ICBM carriers too. Luckily they fire fewer warheads, but it's hardly any comfort.
This war can only end with orc regime change.
It's the only way to guarantee the safety of Europe from these rapist murdering thugs.
After all the bleating and hand waving about Bakhmut supposedly falling it turns out Ukraine have driven them back.
orcs have sustained thousands of dead only to be back at square one all over again.
No still in Russia, however he is the chairman of the All Russian officers assembly which may be a retired/ serving senior officers grouping. Highly unlikely he made the statement without the blessing of both serving and retired senior officers.
My own opinion is that the army will at some stage say enough is enough. The losses are horrendous, the officer core must be seriously depleted and it probably only time before there is an army mutiny.
Does anything sound familiar....
It makes me sick that many here are so willing to back the vile murdering rapist orc regime.
Yes good point. They would have to find them with there's first I suppose to take them out.
Typically they paint them or mark them as such anywhere near the action. One of the foreign guys fighting over there I follow has requested donations to cover an SUV, when they got one, they repainted it. It's not Feb 2022 with Russian units mingling with civilian cars, there's a consistent front-line now, so less of a need to mark out all vehicles, especially back-line stuff that is just used to ferry soldiers and their stuff around.
Some suggestion today that Ukraine are biding their time and preparing for a Spring offensive.
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