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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    IIRC it's slightly shorter but slightly wider than the Transporter. It can look smaller because the wheels are pushed right to the ends of the vehicle

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I agree, drove Dublin to Belfast after Christmas, did a quick recharge at the new Maxol hub and then headed home. Biggest stress was the crap road layout in NI

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes they are quite small, quite a lot of interior space though. They use the interior a lot better than the likes of a caravelle does. If it was to be your only car - or you're getting a van one for business - then it may make sense.

    We went to look at one before settling on the funky cat as our intended second EV. The cost of the ID Buzz is now 10k more than a performance Y and its simply not worth that. It's a fun quirky novelty car, with retro styling. As is the Cat!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    You just invented the i3 REX 😜

    FWIW, I partly agree. I think there's some vehicles that will always need an engine of some kind (fuels, biogas, hydrogen, whatever)

    However that would mostly be confined to the likes of emergency vehicles, off-road vehicles and people who live in northern Canada or Siberia


    For today's world, the biggest obstacle to a lot of EV take-up has been price or charging availability

    Both of them are slowly being fixed. Honestly the only places I'd be remotely stressed about driving to in an EV would be Kerry or Donegal probably

    And even then my solution would be to just charge a bit longer on the way. Little bit time inefficient but I can just have a relaxing lunch, I'm far from being concerned about getting stuck anywhere

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I'm in wexford but I'm in and out of Dublin, meath, kildare on a regular basis and occasionally up and down to NI. There is literally no stress on my route. I actually have my choice of charging - Ionity Gorey, Tesla Sandyford, AG Coynes Cross, Ionity Kill, and if heading up north, Castlebellingham and Belfast Tesla.

    Even if I were not in a Tesla, the combination of Applegreen and Ionity has pretty much covered the country (or at least the routes I travel). I don't buy the argument that the charging network isnt adequate. it's not ideal for sure, and I've been in some ladestau at Ionity for under 3 minutes, but for the day to day driving up to 250-300km I don't need to charge anyway so I don't get the need for a phev.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭traco


    That is a super site! I can see much if the day being lost there now. Interesting that the dimensions aren't all that different but yet the visual impact made it look much smaller. I'm guessing the black colour didn't help along with the more rounded corners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The bigger wheels also make the Buzz look smaller

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,114 ✭✭✭wassie


    The Rav4 PHEV has a decent battery (18kw) and reports are that it gets close to its advertised range on electric mode only of 70+km.

    The new Mitsubish Outlander PHEV (based on the Nissan X-trail platform) also has a similar size battery. But alas Mitso are not suppling this to Europe which is a pity, as it is available as a 7 seater.

    Whilst they are not mainstream and I agree with the notion that arent that green, they do suit certain needs especially if travelling distances, but it is almost probably bordering on a niche market.

    Biggest drawback with me going full EVs with both cars at the moment is towing capability. Towing a 1500+kg van any distance with kids is not practical at the moment with EV.

    Forget trying to charge whilst still hooked up and even if you can get to where you want without charging, chances are you will need to hunt down a charging station upon arrival. Im sure it can be done, but would take planning and extra time, which can be limited if you are only away for 3 days. Not exactly convenient if you out in the far west of this country. PHEVs are the best compromise available at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I was passing Laghy on bank holiday Monday. Two fine chargers, both in use. 4 family in car, thankfully left EV at home and drove on non stop to Dublin. EVs are the future but we need more 50kW+ chargers and more than 2 co sited to cover half a county. North Dublin is a disaster with chargers near the Airport constantly in use 24/7 with taxis and non taxis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    If I wanted a decent phEV for towing I'd like something like the mercedes 350de, diesel engine with 30kWh battery and CCS charging. Or the new BMW X5 50e with nearly 30kWh too.


    Laghy is donegal right? I think I actually charged there once in 2016, weird pull through garage setup near the picnic table.

    Agree on Dublin, it's badly served for FCP use. But... for people commuting in and out of Dublin theres Coynes Cross (4HPC plugs), Ionity Kill (4HPC), Tesla Sandyford (4 Tesla only HPC), Kells (2 50kW plugs and 1 HPC), Kilcullen (1 50kW + 1 HPC) etc, there's lots of options on the trunk routes.

    The north west in particular is badly served also. But if you're anywhere south, east, north east, or west of Westmeath, you have brilliant charging options.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Interesting study on lifetime emmisions of trucks

    Quick summary

    Diesel, bad

    Biofuels, bad

    Biogas, less bad

    Hydrogen from natural gas, better than diesel, still bad

    Green hydrogen, pretty good

    Batteries, best

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253


    John Deere's First All-Electric Riding Mower: Everything You Need to Know


    https://www.gearpatrol.com/home/a42788969/john-deere-electric-riding-mower/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭creedp


    Will need a significant grant to make this attractive over ice versions!!

    The charge time would be pretty important to any commercial operator, unless batteries could be swapped out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It's pretty interesting the difference between the US and here, seemingly in the US the main buyers of ride on mowers are homeowner's, whereas here it's probably mostly commercial operators

    I wonder if that would count for Accelerated Capital Allowance like an EV or charging equipment, might be enough to swing some operators over


    The article claims it can mow the same as the petrol version before needing a recharge, but a hot swappable battery would definitely be an ask for commercial use


    It'd be nice as well if you could charge it on the trailer while being towed by an electric van

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Mav11


    I was watching Guy Martin's new show on energy, Sunday night on C4. He charges his EV using a generator burning red diesel (Green here I think). A clever but a good idea or not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,179 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    A bit silly really as an iCE is an ICE regardless of what fuel it burns and at best it would be no more than 30% efficient…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Would it not be a cost effective way of charging the EV?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,930 ✭✭✭Alkers


    The point being red diesel is a fraction of the price of derv fuel for road use



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Mav11




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,322 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    I guess it depends on the price of the diesel and the price of home electricity.

    I doubt it would pay based on Irish prices anyway and obviously its not environmentally friendly since its 100% fossil based whereas our grid is 30% renewable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes but most people who need rideon mowers generally have a jerry can of petrol on site as you have to refill at least once during a mowing.

    Not. Even running my 6kva generator on agri at 1.1Euro/L is still multiples more expensive than plugging in at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Did he give any figures? Unit prices in the UK are a lot higher than here, I don't know how much red diesel costs but our green diesel isn't cheap enough to justify it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Mav11


    He didn't, but it just got me wondering.

    I suppose that a lot would depend on the cost of the diesel, the efficiency of the generator vs the time of day that the EV is charged at home or the cost of other charging methods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,114 ✭✭✭wassie


    Its right up there with Nissan's e-power bollox.


    I think i heard it advertised along the lines of "all the advantages of electric without the worry".

    ...all the advantages...except the ones that relate to the environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Cheaper to charge from solar panels or night rates, and probably quicker too since you'd need a large enough generator to charge at 7kW, and you can forget about a 50kW charge

    The idea of charging from a generator really only makes sense if electricity is extremely expensive compared to diesel, or the grid doesn't exist

    So basically, the Sahara desert, the Australian Outback or Texas would be your target markets

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    slight tangent, wilst people are arguing about how great solar panels are for cars.

    Suppose I have an EV for commuting, and solar panels - what use are the solar panels for charging the car when I am at work (10, 20 or more kms away) ?

    In the morning you get a bit of charge maybe, then youre gone from 7am or whenever, and back at 5 or 6pm when the sun is either completely gone or quite low in the sky.

    You'd really need to shell out 1000s more on a domestic battery in order to harness the energy wouldnt you? On top of the 10s of thousands on an EV and 5 to 10 grand on solar panels ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,741 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭creedp


    Might be easier to ask if you could work all night and sleep contently all day knowing the EV is charging free from the sun



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The thing with Solar is there's no one size fits all solution, you're better off designing the system around your needs


    If you're not at home during the day then there's no point is designing a system a system with extra capacity to charge the car, better to spend less and get a smaller system to meet the house's needs


    What a battery gets you is flexibility, you don't need to watch the output and turn washing machines and dryers on when the sun starts to shine. It also lets you shift day rate usage over to night rate when there's less sunlight

    The caveat here is if you have a smart meter. Then you'll be paid for the amount you export to the grid, so it might make more sense to install a bigger system to make as much from exporting as you can

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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