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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭creedp


    I can absolutely see why a Tesla, with the benefit of the supercharger network, would beat other EVs hands down on long trans continental journeys. Maybe its just a case that I havent experienced the Tesla driver assist systems yet so dont know what I'm missing. Personally I like to drive cars myself and hate most driver assist systems I've experienced to-date. I've done the 700km+ drives in a day with one stop in manual ICEs and have never felt overly tired afterwards. On a motorway a decent ICE is practically silent, except for road noise which effects all cars, so I cant see how an EV would make long motorway journeys any less stressful for me.

    Not in any way criticising EVs here by the way. Look fwd to the time when I can afford a decent EV, mostly for the cheaper running costs though. Even though I'm not a fan of Tesla minimalist interiors, my preference at the moment would be an M3 because of the range and power combination which seems a step above the competition. However, I will be sad when the day comes that I no longer regularly drive a manual car. Will just have to find solace in a nice classic sporty manual petrol to take for a regular scauld on decent driving roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,273 ✭✭✭kirving


    I haven't done huge miles in a Tesla, but you don't hear or feel even a diesel engine cruising on the motorway in an E-Class.

    Overwhelming factor on the motorway is tyre and wind noise, which wasn't great at in the M3 I've tried tbh (there are even aftermarket kits for sale to combat it like). Didn't like the seats, but but then I hate VW seats too, so that's personal preference.

    Around town, EV all day long, but I'd probably take an E-Class over an M3 for a cross country cruise.

    As for ADAS, all I'll say is be careful with it. Tesla chose to skip industry standard validation processes, and cut industry standard sensors in order to mass-market an excellent system, but flawed system. A net benefit to road safety, yes, but working in the area and having a big personal interest, not one that I'd personally trust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,179 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I'll use AutoPilot (adaptive cruise control) most of the time on any motorway/dual carriageway, but for AutoSteer.. yeah, I only really use that on long quiet(ish) stretches of motorway when there's not too much traffic around me, but once the traffic starts building, it's my hands on the wheel and I'm in 100% control of the steering.

    It's just really sh1t lately using AutoPilot since Tesla Vision because the wipers default to auto when using AutoPilot, and at night they just wipe away regardless of whether it's actually raining or not... Tesla really fcuked up what was a reasonably well working system.... And I know that's the nature of Tesla and their software updates, always tinkering with the cars and that's mostly fine, but it's usually 10 steps forward, and 2-3 steps back...

    Post edited by AndyBoBandy on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,829 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I agree on the auto wipers, mine come on with perfectly clear skies and I have to come off AP to avoid the annoying scraping of rubber on dry glass



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Okay here's a bit of a bizarre charging saga which I'm wondering if anyone has seen before


    Up front disclaimer, I'm missing a few key facts like the brand of chargers since I'm getting all this second hand

    But anyway, here goes...

    My wife's workplace recently installed additional EV charging since the current chargers were constantly in use


    The old chargers were basic 7kW AC pillars and all the cars could use them without any problems.

    The new chargers are marked as 22kW AC chargers but I kinda suspect they're 7kW, given there's something like 24-32 chargers in total now


    Since they were installed, a bunch of cars couldn't use them. They'd plug in and the charger wouldn't start

    Those cars were my wife's Leaf24, and 'the Teslas'. I don't know exactly what Tesla models, but I know there's several Model 3 and S cars there, and it seemed to be all of those


    The vendor came out and fixed the chargers today by replacing a transistor. Apparently there was a hardware update a while back which meant older cars couldn't charge


    I've no idea what this transistor was for or even if it was a transistor, could have been a resistor. This is the problem with hearing stuff third hand


    Anyway, that's the so story as I know it. Anyone got any ideas what was going on there?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    Sounds more like (not an electrican) that the installer didnt check they worked before leaving and blaming it on a software update is better than fessing up to making a mistake.


    I could be wrong ofc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well the strange part is the chargers seemed to work fine with other brands. There's at least one Ioniq 5 which would charge fine

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,829 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Various charge points have various charging issues with various cars through the years, it's currently just something we have to accept, especially when the charge points are dumb and can't take an OTA update



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    After consulting Prof Wikipedia, my current theory is that the newer chargers weren't backwards compatible to J1772 which the Gen 1 Leafs and (I think) the Tesla's all use

    Apparently in an update to the Type 2 connector standards, they changed how the CP pin detects the car to a different transceiver (who wants to bet this was the "transistor" I heard about earlier)

    I'm gonna guess the newer transceiver was supposed to be backwards compatible but turned out not to be


    The vendor spoke to the charger manufacturer and they said it's a known issue and to swap the transceiver module out for the older one


    I'm guessing since all the cars are backwards compatible then they work with the older transceiver module

    Sounds like a definite hardware issue, and with so many cowboy outfits making chargers now we'll probably see more of this in future

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I know lots of issues with chargers and car compatibility. Myenergi and zappi are the experts on making all cars work and they had issues with ID range, Teslas and more. Often it was the car side that needed an update but myenergi often had to put in a quick fix or work around. One issue with zappi for example is that it ramps up the charge slowly and many cars get confused by this. It advertises a very slow rate for first few seconds and then advertises a higher rate, but many cars gets confused and cars like some Hyundai's would display a time to full 5 or 6 times higher than actual as they estimated time to full on first few seconds rate, not rate after that.

    Many cars also struggle on the "wait for night rate or timed charging" as they constantly query the charger and so the car stays "awake" all evening and this can cause the cars 12 volt to run low. The car expects the charge to start in the first few seconds. Better to use timer in car. Myenergi was also first to really use the solar excess and many cars struggle on wait, charge slowly, charge quickly, wait. Part of the reason is cars disconnect the main high voltage battery when not charging and they have a big contactor switch that makes a clunk when charging starts. With solar only and a cloudy day it may start and stop dozens of times, meaning the contactor is switching on and off which may wear it out quicker. Myenergi have settings to reduce this issue and often tweaks are needed depending on the car. They mainly have issues with brand new cars to market that were never tested in a zappi like happened with the ID range and also Tesla. Tesla quickly pushed out an update. I had to tweak setting lso my car would display the correct time to full. It's not exactly plug and play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 SPwr1990


    VW-ID.3-new-6.jpg VW-ID.3-new-2.jpg VW-ID.3-new-3.jpg


    VW ID.3 Life model a little closer to the concept design looks much better then the ID.3 that was released

    Spring 2023 release on this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    All they really did was redesign the front grille and put a bigger screen in the dashboard from the looks of it. The MEB platform underneath will still be the same with a few minor improvements


    They're still making the same dumb mistakes with the interior lacking much covered storage as far as I can tell

    Launch is spring but first deliveries will be autumn

    It's certainly a step up, but hardly a massive leap of an improvement

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Did a double take today when I saw a LEVC taxi in Dublin. 231 plate as well, so it wasn't visiting

    Bad news is that it was on the back of a tow truck. 🤦‍♂️

    Might have been a delivery but it was a single vehicle truck that the recovery companies use, so possibly a breakdown

    I see there is one on Donedeal, so somebody is importing them

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Based on my experience of the ex-wifes Cupra Born, just lighting the temperature slider will make a huge difference for night driving 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,823 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    My previous etron was in for some warranty work and they gave me a diesel q 5 as a loaner for a week, i can honestly saw i would never own a diesel car again (and my previous 3 cars had been diesel audis). Once you get used to a decent EV going back to an ICE car is unappealing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭creedp


    Each to their own but for me there is nothing to compare to pushing on a decently powered manual car on good quality country roads. Absolutely agree a decent auto for urban traffic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,823 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Maybe, but if that’s what you are into a q5 would be a long way down the list, or a diesel anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭creedp


    Obviously petrol beats diesel but for me a manual gearbox is far more engaging and enjoyable to drive. An auto and especially an EV are certainly easier but imo less rewarding to drive. Probably just a dinosaur heading for extinction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I wouldn't count the electrics out so quickly 😉

    A few months ago I was driving through Cornwall which has an abundance of geography

    The main road (A30) is constantly up and down hills and mountains, it's a great bit of road for driving 😁

    I had a massive grin plastered on my face the whole drive. Having the motors full power available all the time was fantastic and I was breezing past other cars including big engined BMWs and Mercs


    I've done similar drives in a petrol car, and while the gear changes are fun, I felt like I gained a lot more than what I lost from driving a EV

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,829 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,741 ✭✭✭✭josip


    PHEVs should be treated the same as ICEs. I can't see how they are anything more than an attempt by the established car and oil firms to obfuscate and delay the transition away from petro-ICEs.

    Mods, if PHEV criticism isn't allowed here, please remove.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,174 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    I am buying a PHEV and I agree that they can certainly pollute more. If I get my PHEV and never plug it in I am therefore lugging around a heavy battery hoping that the Hybrid mode helps. My Diesel car gets very good MPG when I'm not city driving, otherwise it is only a little better than Petrol. In the UK, as I read a similar article earlier from another publication, they want any subsidies and grants removed for PHEVs. They also argue that they don't get the advertised WLTP but arguably who does. I think most people would say that on a good day you lose x % and in winter way more.

    I'd nearly see arguments being made that in fact a modern Diesel engine is BETTER for the environment than a PHEV.

    Do we even have any in Ireland at all after the €2,500 SEAI was removed? Are some people still getting a small discount on toll roads(subsidised by the government as well)? That's the only one I can think of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    PHEVs are one step better than HEVs - hevs are only ICE cars really anyway - but still not an EV. They are nonsense. If you're going to bother plugging in etc then you may as well get an EV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    You are right, I did 300 km return last week I never bothered to plug in, for my budget I would have not bothered with a BEV, stopping, charging, and waiting, my time is far too valuable.

    Unfortunately, I do spend 5 seconds plugging in at night, you know just for the hassle of it, and strangely enough, I am getting 120 mpg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    You got a link for the actual test? I commented before on the ''which?'' test commissioned by the same people, which basically was that the wltp figure is inflated.

    If a phev is used as intended the wltp results could be exceeded but you have people that don't charge them, others telling them not to charge, and others who just hate them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    That's funny because I did a 300km return trip the other day too, never bothered to plug in or stop or charge or wait. My time is far too valuable. Luckily my BEV was more than capable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I think phev need a minimum battery size or range as some have pathetic range. Those with smaller battery or no plug at all should not be helped. Even those with plugs probably should not be helped. In terms of grant money it really needs to go on public chargers and decent hub and banks of AC chargers where most needed.

    You can't really make an argument for full EV if many people cannot stress free perform long trips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    There are no grants for PHEV anymore. Rightfully so.

    People can perform long trips stress free. It's not 2016 anymore. The biggest stress (once you avoid ecars!) is how expensive fast charging is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭traco


    I saw two black VW ID Buzz yesterday, one in a VW garage awaiting prep and another inbound on the N7. Initial impression is that they are a lot smaller than I expected, way smaller than a Transporter or Caravelle but that may be wrong as it was passing glances. Seemed closer to the size of the original VW van, the colour could have been a factor also.



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