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Near Misses Thread Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I cycled the N4 once to test it for the commute, it's horrible no matter how you use it. I go through Lucan village and along the Strawberry Beds instead now, and out through Phoenix Park. Apart from a few speed bumps, it's much more pleasant and far less traffic. Still the occasional close pass of course.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Not sure @CramCycle but given how late the driver left it before looking to move out, I'm inclined to think there knew exactly what they were doing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭JMcL


    As others have said it's having to cede right of way at every junction that is the problem, especially if you're clipped in. Slip roads on the N3/4/7 etc would be a nightmare I'd imagine. My own experience on the Waterford ring road which is an 80km/h dual carriageway with roundabouts is that when decided to give the similar "cycle track" on the footpath (no segregation or markings as seen on the left below) a go back in the day, you have to stop at the crossing point to the left of the silver car, At that point it's difficult to see if anything is turning left since you're halfway round the turn yourself at this point, so it's stop and check (unclipping usually). Then you need to get the the small island just before the blue car - making sure you're not taken out of it by drivers turning right at speed from the opposite direction (it's blind - note the shrubbery). Then finally get across the last bit and continue to the same thing at the next roundabout. It got very old very quickly (plus it's dangerous) so I've stayed on the main carriageway ever since so I only have to worry about normal roundabout rules from the right now. And don't get me started with the dog on an extendible string brigade!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭patrickc


    not a near miss, but was cycling yesterday on the N80. a rigid truck with an aul fella driving layed on the horn going by, making some gestures at me. There was a a hard shoulder which was less than a 1/2 a foot wide and I think he wanted me to cycle in there. Not a chance!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    +1, had a Bus Éireann driver pull in on top of me at Usher's Quay just after Mellow's Bridge junction where the cycle lane disappears. Slapped the side of the bus a couple of times but he continued to encroach and force me towards the kerb, slapped the back of the bus again as now had no room and had to stop but he continued on. He was stopped at the lights outside Guinness so I pulled up in the cycle lane beside him and opened the bus doors so he had to get out to reset. I asked him to explain his driving and forcing me off the road to where is only response was he didn't, one seriously ignorant and dangerous driver. Lights had well gone green at this stage so he closed the door and climbed back into his seat when I turned the door open level again and just said we'll see what his employer would say. Didn't bother reporting but hopefully the lost time and inconvenience might get him to think of what had he to gain.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭buffalo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    The first fcuker should be taken out of that car and bet around the road in front of everyone. What if a toddler shot out of one of those driveways.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Idleater


    Had the aul "stick on the indicator and turn" this morning.

    Granted, the clown looked like they were going to turn so I was prepared.

    They indicated as they were beside me and thanks to traffic everyone was going slowly.

    What was interesting was that they stopped just after starting the turn, say 30 degrees. So I slow rolled in front of them. I reckon they knew what they were doing and bullied their turn.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Gaz


    Trying to decide if I should go to the hassle of reporting this. I've rewatched it so many times it dosnt seem as bad now.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Gaz


    Yeah, clipped me but no damage to me or the bike. Their attitude was what really annoyed me ... "I didn't hit you, i didnt see you .. your lights should be higher" ... I have two handlebar level lights in the front.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I'd report it also.

    Your light is evident in the video (you can see the reflection in the road signs) as is the solid white line that the driver illegally crossed before hitting you.

    The driver was completely.innthe wrong here, no doubt about it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Gaz


    Driver was pulling into park in front of the shops at The Goblet Pub on the Malahide Road. I'll report it to tomorrow, more for the **** attitude than anything else.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭Dinging


    Rules of the Road are pretty clear here.


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    The statue is even clearer.

    19.—(1) A driver shall not overtake (or attempt to overtake) if to do so would endanger, or cause inconvenience to, any other person.

    The driver is clearly wrong here and a **** driver. No argument, no discussion warranted.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    From what I can see the driver was indicating before passing the cyclist which seems to me that the driver intended to complete the turn knowing that the cyclist was on the left. For me, the driver was wrong in this instance but as a cyclist I wouldn't have continued up the inside on the basis of self preservation.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Agreed but the cyclist was in a different lane and so I don't think the cyclist could be considered to be overtaking on the left.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,392 ✭✭✭cletus


    Are cycling lanes considered separate lanes here?

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    The biggest issue here is the car, however if you were in a car in a lane like the cyclist you wouldn't keep driving almost into the car. Or, atleast you shouldn't because its a silly thing to do.

    So biggest blame is on the motorist, but the cyclist should have slowed down/stopped.

    If the cyclist wanted to beep a loud horn or shout at the motorist thats another matter and it would be perfectly understandable.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    My point (which in hindsight didn't explain it in full) was that the original law was referring to cyclists passing on the inside but within the same lane (as we didn't have cycle paths or dual carriageways back then).

    I wouldn't regard the cyclist in the above video as overtaking (aka passing on the left).

    Notwithstanding that, the cyclist should have either slowed down when they saw the indicators or started screaming at the driver or probably both. Whilst they may be in the right to keep pedalling, it is not in their safety to do so.

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    What could potentially happen here, the car basically came to a stop and you could easily be fooled into thinking they are doing so to allow the bike to pass.

    I've had cars pass me and then stop to allow me to pass before turning in,

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Several pointless close passes yesterday and today along my commute, but I only uploaded two of them - both unnecessary (as an opportunity to safely pass was seconds ahead) and both with oncoming traffic. Note that I say the F-word in both vids

    This one yesterday in Saggart with a driver & trailer overtaking me...

    ...and this one along Stacumny Lane between Lucan & Celbridge. Not even sure if the driver lifted off the throttle as he passed...


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I dunno. Maybe it's a combination MGIF and knowing that although it will be tight, they'll be ok and sure legally nothing will happen anyhow

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,392 ✭✭✭cletus


    Do drivers really think like this? I know it's what many cyclists assume, but it always struck me that overtaking like that was down to them not even really registering that there's a bike there. Or if they do, it registers the same way a bollard or a sign post or a traffic cone does, i.e. as long as I can squeeze by without hitting it, it's grand

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,283 ✭✭✭kirving


    I think you missed the memo - this is the internet, there is absolutely no room for nuance. And remember too, you're posting on forum where camera footage is being posted - there is no such this as shared responsibility. Blame falls 100:0% at all times.

    As a general point, very many cyclists unknowingly put themselves in positions where their safety relies on the car driver seeing them and not making a move. By that I mean things like pacing a car in its blindspot in city traffic, or squeezing between two busses and being completely dismayed when they have a close call. But what's more interesting to me is posters here admitting they do it on purpose to prove a point. To suggest that some cyclists (and drivers) do that from time to time would normally end up in a huge pile on to anyone who dared suggest anything of the sort.

    I do it myself if I'm honest, some totally lackadaisical or agressive drivers do need to be woken up by a shout and a slap on the bootlid the very odd time - but I know when doing so, that the blame for any escalated outcome is partly on me. I'm not suggesting that the Nutgrove Avenue video was this at all btw, more a case of poor driving, poor timing, and the driver coming to an almost complete stop being reasonably confused with allowing the cyclist to proceed.


    In fact a very similar near miss yesterday prompted me to open this thread in the first place.

    Coming toward the canal at 1pm, flashing lights on me as normal, in cycle lane, going straight. 2 cars in the lane to turn left, middle lane backed up to after the bus lane ends.

    1. BMW dips into the bus lane early, I assumed to skip traffic going ahead.
    2. Leaves their indicator on, I thought by mistake.
    3. Left arrow goes green, first two cars turn left ahead with plenty of room.
    4. I assumed BMW driver should have seen me since they had just passed me, so carried on but covered the brake. Looking back I think I was in their blindspot. Covering the brake was my cue to back out of it tbh.
    5. They turn left, I braked hard and just about avoid hitting them and let out a shout.
    6. They go wide (actually better than stopping dead) and then stop to apologise.
    7. I went up to the window fairly annoyed and had a go about using mirrors. No language or anything, but unnecessary looking back.

    Overall a learning experience for both of us. I assumed too much and put myself in a position where I was relying on their judgment - I'm always around there and should have seen it a mile off, but pushed ahead because I had a bit of momentum I didn't want to give up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,392 ✭✭✭cletus


    I'm on the Greenway regularly in the bike.

    Sometimes people get a fright when you "suddenly appear". I just usually give a loud "Morning/afternoon/evening folks, and when I have their attention, just say on your left/right.

    I slow way down, though, because I've realised that pedestrians perception of speed can be very different than a cyclist's perception (rightly or wrongly)


    About a year ago I was on a very quiet country road, with no traffic. A lady in her 60's was walking ahead of me, in the middle of the road. I called out a few times, but she had headphones in. So eventually I went past very slowly. She jumped like I buzzed past her at 30km an hour. I'm pretty sure she went home and told her husband about the cyclist that almost killed her🤷‍♂️

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Crap overtake. They had to break to get back on their side before the oncoming car. Wasn't enough space and they were too close. Shows the standard of driving if people don't remember that incident

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I guess what I'm asking is what people's thoughts are on the likely outcome if I report this one to Traffic Watch?

    If you report it to TW and then go down to your station to make a statement, any potential charge (for whatever offence) against the driver will be at the whim of the Inspector.

    I've had some successful follow ups but, more often than not, i hear absolutely nothing back from AGS to the point that I feel I wasted my time and now I generally won't waste my time going down to the station.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,392 ✭✭✭cletus


    Not really a near miss, but I had to let a roar at a driver for the first time ever today.

    Heading down through Naas town and a fella in a Porsche started to reverse out of a commercial premises just as I was approaching. Traffic meant moving out into the lane wasn't really an option, so I let a roar. I know it was loud because people looked around at me.

    I don't know whether the driver heard me, or saw me at the last minute, but he stopped abruptly.

    Funny, typing it out takes a while, but the whole thing was over in seconds

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Idleater


    Guys doing roadworks put the "end of cycle lane" sign in the middle of the (bollarded) cycle lane at Kilmainham. I just stopped in time as I was going down the hill with a green light ahead of me. I politely told them that if they don't want an accident and someone suing them they might move it so that cyclists using the cycle lane can get by.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,658 ✭✭✭secman


    As I approached the side of the coach house pub in Gorey , a car was stopped and as I was going past it, a young woman who had got out of the front passenger side, without looking Just ran out onto the road in front of the car she got out of and straight in front of me. She was knocked to the ground, I just about stayed up. I asked her was she okay and said to her that she never looked right before running onto the road. She apologised and ran into the coffee shop across the road, the one beside the lane into Jack & Jill.

    She was blessed I was not on a motorbike 🤔

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