Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [ POSSIBLE SPOILERS ]

pixelburp · 07-02-2023 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120210759#Comment_120210759

I wasn't responding directly to you, rather the mentioned critic's thoughts on SNW recycling old plots, sorry that wasn't clear. I don't really buy it as a valid criticism as mentioned, just seemed an odd flex.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120210760#Comment_120210760

I'm sure were plots or story points copied that egregiously, you can be damn sure the American courts would have been involved; these things are fairly well codified over theres, so seems like a rod to beat the show with rather than an actual claim. There are always those accusations flying about in adapted fiction: X was a blatant rip-off from Y. I see to recall a brief social-media kerfuffle over Discovery, 'cos someone claimed the show nicked their idea about Space-Tartigrades (haha, remember those??) from their game/novel/etc.

Evade · 07-02-2023 12:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120210853#Comment_120210853

It usually boils down to who can afford the better legal team. My money's on Paramount and not the octogenarian widower who may not even be aware the issue exists.

pixelburp · 07-02-2023 12:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120211034#Comment_120211034

Oh, DC Fontana passed away 2019, so I guess if her estate is aware, they may simply not care. Indeed it's as possible they're totally ambivalent about screenwriters lifting of Fontana's ideas - maybe even be flattered or excited they're now officially part of the lore.

Evade · 07-02-2023 01:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120211040#Comment_120211040

The estate may not care but there is a certain irony to a brand that's been very vocal in recent years about putting "marginalised voices" to the forefront not acknowledging someone who had to go by her initials or risk not be taken seriously as a TV writer.

Rawr · 07-02-2023 02:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120210728#Comment_120210728

I think Garak was just teasing Worf while practicing his professional lying abilities to pass the time. Once he had convinced Worf to sponsor his application to the Academy, Garak then proceeds to mess about with him, claiming that he’s so awesome that he could instantly get promoted ahead of Worf to the rank of Commander. At which point Worf realizes what Garak is up to.

Getting fast tracked to a bridge command role does seem like a stretch, but at least with Seven we know she spent years as part of a Starfleet command structure on Voyager. Still, “Captain” or “First Officer” isn’t the first thing that comes to my mind with Seven. Chief Engineer? Sure. Chief of Security? Maybe, she was all “action heroish” in S1. But, gonna wait and see. If the writers know what they are doing with Seven (and overall) then it might work. Maaaaaybe

flazio · 07-02-2023 10:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120210759#Comment_120210759

Last paragraph, have you watched Prodigy yet?

Brian? · 07-02-2023 10:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213590#Comment_120213590

nope

flazio · 07-02-2023 10:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213608#Comment_120213608

Do, it's doing exactly what you just asked for. It's not as silly as Lower Decks either.

Brian? · 07-02-2023 10:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213620#Comment_120213620

Sound. I’ll check it out

corkie · 07-02-2023 11:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213644#Comment_120213644

Although it is a children's show it is still quite good.

https://www.tvguide.co.uk/m-detail/4602533/81475457/star-trek-prodigy

If you have that channel, it is showing from the start again from tomorrow. It finished the last run of it tonight.

breezy1985 · 08-02-2023 12:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213620#Comment_120213620

I wouldn't call Prodigy a continuation of Trek post Voyager though. It kinda exists in its own world a bit like Lower Decks.

flazio · 08-02-2023 05:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213911#Comment_120213911

Janeway (the real one) and Chakotay, as played by Mulgrew and Beltran, feature prominently and have stories around them, Prodigy is as much a continuation of Voyager Trek as Picard is of TNG Trek. Being animated doesn't relegate any story to not being a part of canon.

breezy1985 · 08-02-2023 08:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214040#Comment_120214040

Not worried about it being part of canon or anything like that.

I took @Brian?'s post as meaning he wanted a show set post Voyager timewise continuing on the timeline the way Bermantrek did.

That's why I don't think Prodigy fits as "doing exactly what he asked for"

Brian? · 08-02-2023 11:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214157#Comment_120214157

I don’t think it is either. But I’ll watch first to see.

I want a new program the way DS9 or Voyager was new. Not more nostalgia

pixelburp · 08-02-2023 11:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214899#Comment_120214899

If I put money on what might follow Discovery when it finishes up, I'd say that show might be when we finally get a proper post-Nemesis Trek. Assuming it's not coopted into a 7of9 spin-off or something - which does, admittedly, feel a touch more likely given the obsession with masturbatory nostalgia.

breezy1985 · 08-02-2023 11:46AM

The spin off should have been Rios on the Stargazer.

It wouldn't be hard to do a non nostalgia show. Loads of the SNW plots could easily have been set in the 2400s.

I just want to know how the section of universe we know is getting on post the shows I loved. I liked the XB story in Picard and the LD trip to DS9 was good because it was one of the few times anything addressed the post Dominion Gamma Quadrant even if mostly played for laughs and nostalgia.

flazio · 08-02-2023 01:05PM

How about if Prodigy was, live action, set on the Protostar, told from Chatokay and his crew's pov and the adventures of the kids was condensed into a two parter as part of the voyages of the Protostar.

breezy1985 · 08-02-2023 01:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215319#Comment_120215319

That's just Star Trek:A Cuchi Moya. A Picard style show for Voyager. It would be alright but ide rather a show with no ties and definitely no Chakotay.

I think you are under the impression that Prodigy is being insulted or talked down because it's a cartoon which isnt the case.

TheIrishGrover · 10-02-2023 08:21AM

https://www.engadget.com/star-trek-picard-season-three-paramount-plus-preview-review-080010650.html

Jesus Christ. That's some review (skip the first couple of paragraphs).

TLDR: As expected. Dull, grim, "Out of character"... uh, characters.

Please let it die. Please let Disco die. Please let Section 31 die. WHY do we need SIX Trek shows?

Leave us the wonderful SNW, the funny (and surprisingly loyal) Lower Decks. Leave us with Prodigy. I have not watched it cos Janeway's voice is like nails on a blackboard fir me. But I hear its good fun fir what it is.

We went DECADES without Trek. We will take quality over quantity any day.

Please let them die. Its cruel to everyone

pixelburp · 10-02-2023 08:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120222716#Comment_120222716

Unfortunately, if the YouTube comments from the trailers are anything to go by, there's still a large swathe of the audience who are entertained simply by Famous Actor Doing the Thing - oh but they get chills. You know: morons. This will do gangbusters on pure mastabatory nostalgia alone.

breezy1985 · 10-02-2023 08:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120222716#Comment_120222716

There is a lot of nitpicking in that article but the bit that stuck out for me was "The plot is stretched so thin" as worrying.

The first 2 seasons and half of Disco feel like they could have just been a movie. I bet this will be the usual Walking Dead formula of 8 episodes of nothing sandwiched by the only 2 episodes you need to watch.

TheIrishGrover · 10-02-2023 09:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120222761#Comment_120222761

Sigh... unfortunately you're right. And I'll admit, I'm also guilt of being part of the problem. I'll "Hate Watch" this and Discovery. Simply out of pigheadedness to see them through to the end. And it's the wrong thing to do: They have always STARTED strong and interesting. Even Discovery. And then.... Well, it's all been said before

EltonJohn69 · 10-02-2023 09:43AM

a few reviews saying season 3 is actually good….. I'm going to give it a go…. Even after being viciously burnt by season 2…. Burnt/beaten/and shot… season2 was extraordinarily bad

Brian? · 10-02-2023 09:46AM

I will watch any Star Trek they ever make. I’m a sucker.

breezy1985 · 10-02-2023 09:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120223019#Comment_120223019

Ya but I have a feeling anyone who is bothering to go to the premiere at this stage is either a complete KurtzTrek fan boy or hate watcher.

I'm not trusting either to be reliable.

Rawr · 10-02-2023 10:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120222716#Comment_120222716

Ah crap! I hate having my concerns fed with upcoming Trek shows. Dammit, and there was me thinking they had finally leanred their bloody lessons.

Robert Meyer Burnett had a video up on Youtube addressing claims that he's been paid to shill for Picard. I hadn't watched the video, but it turned up in my notifications. Now I think I understand why I think he put that video up.

So, until I actually watch; there are 2 possibilies:

1) Brunett, a known critic of new Trek, did honestly like Picard Season 3 and all will hopefully be well.

or

2) Burnett, a known critic of new Trek, has been coerced (or paid) to falsely boost Season 3 to sceptical Trekkies.

Option 2 suggests that they are willing to put effort and/or cash into an attempt to trick viewers to watch Season 3. They may have done this with other New-Trek critics too, I think Dave Cullen (far-right Irish YouTube critic of anything "woke", especially Discovery) also is speaking positivly about Season 3. If they really are "buying" critics it bodes very badly for the quality of the show if they feel that they need to resort to this kind of dishonesty to get people to watch.

I very much hope Option 1 is what is happened, becuase that is a universe where live-action Trek has some more hope for the future. A future where compitent show-runners are given Trek properties while Kurtzman is there in name alone.

But Option 2 is far more ominous. It is a future where good Trek happens by accident if at all. A future where Kurtzman's cack-handed approach to TV production might actually kill the franchise in a few short years.

breezy1985 · 10-02-2023 10:15AM

Or it could just be that the critics who fume about "woke" like it because of a lack of "woke" and are blind the the many real problems the show has.

As for Kurtzmann killing the franchise Discovery is 5 season in with a spin off. Picard got 3 seasons and we have 2 more shows running. He makes shte Trek but he has also some how revived not killed Trek.

Evade · 10-02-2023 10:25AM

Revived in the same way a necromancer would, as a shambling ghoul of its former self.

breezy1985 · 10-02-2023 10:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120223183#Comment_120223183

Well I got Lower Decks out of it so I'm happy.

SNW is alright too.

It's former self also had as many zombies as good shows too.

Brian? · 10-02-2023 10:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120223143#Comment_120223143

It’s incredible how successful they are in spite of the Trekkie hate. Trekkie’s loved Enterprise and they was killed early. Maybe we aren’t with it. Or maybe they changed what is was.

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