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  • Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭ jonnybigwallet


    They can always get a team of agency personnel in to bolster up the numbers on the procurement and contract management team. Wouldn't cost the earth!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭ sparky42


    So you think that DPER which is slow balling any solutions to the manpower issues for the last decade is suddenly going to open their wallets for Agency Staff in order for more expenditure?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,139 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    From where?

    From the management consultancies? I've seen it before up close, they're all shite, clueless, wasters.

    DoD must be professionalised in procurement and the only quick and effective way to do that, is to assemble a team, taken from experience across the big spending Departments in the Civil Service (Health, Justice, OPW, Transport etc) as well as from the Office of Government Procurement and DPER itself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭ jonnybigwallet


    You don't have to go to management consultancy firms. You can hire direct via professional technical recruiters. That way you save at least 50%. We don't need a whole army of people to handle half a dozen major purchase orders.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,139 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    Half a dozen?

    You're talking about hundreds, if not thousands of high value procurement exercises over the next decade.

    Everything from the bricks and mortar of new facilities, to all the individual equipment elements for an expanded Force, to stores of consumables for people and vehicles and aircraft and IT, not to mention the IT itself, to run everything from air defence systems to counter-cyber, to secure intelligence communications, to name but a few, but all worth hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in their own right. And thats before we even mention the fun stuff.

    An army of people is precisely whats needed and its fair to say that you don't even know, what you don't even know.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭ jonnybigwallet


    The stuff you're talking about is small potatoes. I've got 35 years of experience in project management in highly regulated industries. Nuclear / Oil and Gas / Railway Infrastructure. An order for "hundreds of thousands" or "millions" is a small order, in my universe. These can be handled easily by the existing teams and the sub contractors. We just need to recruit some extra high calibre people for the big stuff. I can assure you that I know damned well what I'm talking about, and it ain't pallets of bricks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭ Dohvolle


    You were wrong about H&W losing the RN contract, pretty sure you are wrong about this also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭ jonnybigwallet


    Was reported some time ago. I don't keep up with every aspect of H&W business and I'm not infallible. Unlike certain people here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,139 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    Ah the auld mask has slipped Jonny Irishman, its all **** and giggles till the blow back lands on you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭ jonnybigwallet


    I don't know what you're talking about. Sounds like a pile of auld shite to me. Trying to score cheap points as usual.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭ roadmaster




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭ Dohvolle


    Good ole Colemans Island.



  • Registered Users Posts: 996 ✭✭✭ Psychlops




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,139 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    The Germans said they wouldn't OK Leopard to be deployed without Abrams and it seems to have panned out that way.

    Honestly I'd worry about the effectiveness of Abrams in Ukrainian hands without the massive apparatus that supports it in US battlefield operations. I'm sure they're working on that, but you can't do in months what America and Australia and Saudi have taken years to work-up and integrate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭ roadmaster


    From the rte archives. An interesting report on the selection to replace the then FN.

    https://www.rte.ie/archives/2017/0309/858464-weapons-testing-for-irish-army/



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,139 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    "The SA-80, chosen by Professionals" 😂😂

    Dodged a bullet there. Literally like, early SAs would jam on first shot!

    Interesting little archive piece all the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭ sparky42


    I’m not sure what would have caused more outrage at the time, buying the 80s or the Gail given everything?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭ roadmaster




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭ Dohvolle


    PQs like this are the reason the DF is in the state it is. Plonker TDs demanding a barracks for every town, ignoring the strategic need. It doesn't even bring jobs, it just means everyone currently based in Galway or Dublin has to Commute or move to the arsehole of the country, just to please parish pump politics.

    Athlone's future is safe. They are building an Aircraft Hangar on the square. If he opened his eyes he'd know that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭ roadmaster


    I noted in MMs reply he said several barracks where being looked at for the Army Hq. Tge gas thing is custume barracks is not even in his constituency

    On a side note a colleague from Mullingar told me that the local SF TD the bluffer was telling locals that the refugees are only tempoary as the army is moving back in next year!

    Strangley enoght it turns out the barracks was never transfered from the DOD to the LDA



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭ Topgear on Dave


    Mullingar only closed a decade ago. There's no rush!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭ Dohvolle


    There are people serving in the DF today who weren't born when Kildare closed, yet they've barely broken ground on whatever plans they have for there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭ Dohvolle




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭ roadmaster


    Its best to avoid the newspapers today as it is only doom and gloom about the defence forces



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,139 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    The very fact there is more widespread coverage in the print media is a good thing. Its better than complete apathy and ignorance as to what goes on in the DF.

    The Govt have committed to the CoDF recommendations and they have a job of work ahead to deliver LoA2, including structures for a sustainable RDF.

    I think Micheál Martin is up for that challenge, with the CoS, the Sec Gen and hopefully an ambitious and talented new Head of Transformation.

    Watch this space.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭ Dohvolle


    PQs last week did not offer much hope, unfortunately.

    Minister reads outdated reports prepared by civil servants boasting that they got 2/3 of the things done in 7 months that were to have been completed in 6 months.

    No promises to act quickly (Unless its a new Jet to get them to DC for Paddys Day).



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭ roadmaster


    I know it would be a big step back but to stablise the reserve should they maybe look at standing back up the FCA and its former units in regional towns to get numbers back up and then try the more structured intergrated reserve



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭ Dohvolle


    Only because of the consistent under-investment since the foundation of the state. How does a country with a fraction of the coastline, Belgium, manage to put 2 frigates to sea? Portugal too, has a similar atlantic profile, and manages to field both Submarines and frigates, even though its waters are in the Shadow of Spain and Nuclear super Power France. Why do they believe it is better not to let the neighbours look after their secrity?

    Even Denmark, With NATO Navies to the North, South, east and west, still manages to put 2 ASW, 2 AA and 3 Multi role frigates to sea.

    Could it be perhaps the only reason we will never be in a position to do so is the Minister and the Government lack the ambition to do so? We'll boast about men and women in Blue Berets to secure a seat on the UNSC, but neglect to mention they are poorly equipped, have weak mandates, and cannot deploy anywhere unless Russia and China says it's OK for us to do so.



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