Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Some wonderful news from the HSE, most people in the country have been vaccinated! Table below, p.7 of the following link!

But Waterford is the BEST of all!

In County & Cty of Waterford, over 99.9% of adults have been vaccinated.

Hardly a single elderly bachelor farmer in the hills and the bogs refused to be vaccinated anywhere in Ireland!

But Co & City of Waterford trumped everwhere else in the country: Nary a student, nary an alcoholic, nary a junkie nor a crusty nor a hippy refused to be vaccinated in Waterford. They sure do conform down there!

And good and all as that might be, in some places it seems that more people than actually live in the county must have been vaccinated, because the HSE saw fit to add a disclaimer:

But isn't it great that all the 20-29 year olds in Waterford got vaccinated?

This study showing a very low IFR in the non elderly, which first came out in 2021 and was attacked then as 'misinformation' has now been peer reviewed and published. The 'we didn't know how dangerous it was (or wasn't) ' excuse for lockdowns doesn't really add up, when this info, and more besides, was out there. How many in the below age groups, who were at little risk from COVID, died due to the measures, directly or indirectly? We are still finding out but it's almost certainly way more than ever were 'saved'

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512201982X

It is a study from 2021. Lockdowns started in 2020. So how was the information out there? Some amount of deceptive revisionism going on.

Why doesnt it include the IFR for the groups most vulnerable to covid?

Where are the attacks on it for being misinformation?

Was it actually attacked as misinformation or were people who cited at as the IFR for covid fullstop attacked for spreading misinformation?

The study itself shows a wide range in IFR across countries which seem hard to explain ie should make anyone wary of citing this as actual IFR to be expected in a country.

The IFR as I keep repeating is only one of the equation. The other being the infection rate.

And to state the number of deaths almost certainly exceeds the number saved is entirely without foundation. This article on its own simply cannot prove what you are saying.

I demand every study posted is peer reviewed and write off any that arent. Except when the peer reviewed ones don't align with my opinions, then they are dangerous misinformation.

Lighthearted post btw, I do appreciate how for the most part we were able to debate civilly in here. The past 3 years were a wild ride for sure ✌️

Countries all over the world advised by their respective bodies of experts and scientists recommended and undertook measures to tackle the pandemic. It was a pretty universal consensus. Even Sweden, which was famous for taking a different route, advised that people should wear masks, distance, restrict group sizes, and later started adopting mandates and measures. People may have disagreed with the nuances of the rules or specific details (I certainly did), but it's illogical to be against them on principle. Likewise certain individuals were against car seatbelts when they became law. Some individuals just conflate these things as "assaults on personal freedom" and as such attack them during and after the fact for no other reason.

Measures against the pandemic weren't political.

Unfortunately common sense guidelines aren't enough because there will always be individuals who refuse to follow them, hence we have mandates and laws. You point out that a seat-belt is a no-brainer and obvious and proven - yet if there's no law, certain people won't wear them, and they'll cause deaths and risk to others (not just themselves)

If there were a pandemic of a rapidly spreading virus tomorrow with an unknown disease that was causing deaths worldwide, there would be a portion of individuals in society who would refuse to e.g. wear masks, for irrational reasons. We know this.

We didn't have a zero Covid policy, only China had that, it was controversial and they reversed it recently.

Like us, most countries adopted normal measures against the pandemic. These were to reduce cases, reduce pressure on hospitals, reduce pressure on overworked healthcare staff and reduce deaths. There was nothing ideological about it. They were temporary measures.

Likewise when somewhere experiences e.g. extreme weather, there can be measures, rules and restrictions to mitigate the effects and keep people safe.

Some individuals perceive practical measures as "political persecution", "stripping of rights" and other assorted silliness.

Complete fact free revisionism.

Omicron didnt help the unvaccinated in Hong Kong moved forward. It put them into hospital and the grave.

We were moving forwards before Omicron, thanks to vaccines. Restrictions were being lifted. Any suggestion to the contrary is a falsehood based on ignorance or deception.

And there have been people who died because they ignored storm warnings or only survived through the last minute intervention / appearance of emergency services.

Does that count as having an issue??? Well?

Was there something else happening in late november 2021?

Hint: it starts with an O.

Restrictions were being relaxed here anď abroad before Omicron. We were moving forwards. Due to uncertainty with Omicrons impact and rise in cases some restrictions were reimposed here. But for example Denmark did not.

Once the impact of Omicron could be asssessed wrt hospitalisations restrictions were lifted.

What would have been scary was facing Omicron with our vulnerable unvaccinated.

Covid vaccines have saved millions of lives.

Restrictions were being lifted before then.

Dealing with the number of cases we had in November 2021 with very minor reinstatement of restrictions was moving forward. It would not have been possible without vaccines.

Other countries could carry the case-hospitalisation rate without further restrictions - due to vaccinations.

We could not have moved forwards without vaccines or handled Omicron without much higher loss of life.

Covid vaccines have saved millions of lives.