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Room to Improve (v2)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    room to improve..........Dermots bank balance.

    give me George Clark anyday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    The sink is called the back garden tap here 🤣🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deeec


    There was plenty of room on the side of the house to add a utility. They didnt need all the space outside at the side where the 3 sets of french doors were. It wouldnt have ate into their kitchen space at all.

    Plenty of houses in estates have utility rooms - it is very useful space to have and its definately what that family last night needed. Having a sink to deal with dirty jobs is not having notions - they spent €200K on a revamp that isnt going to meet their needs - €200k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    He really doesn’t seem to get the concept of future proofing, even with relatively older clients, as we’ve seen with his fetish for unnecessary front door steps.

    The big gap in last night’s show was the bikes, show in the dining room. A bike bunker can revolutionise bike usage, and there was no mention at all of where the bikes had gone or how they were being accommodated.

    Having said that, this was the first episode for a long time that I could actually relate to, being a suburban semi-d. I really liked the end result, expensive and all that it was. I’m not too sure I believe all those “sure I could have done that for €20k” stories. I liked the pergolas (which weren’t mentioned at all). I’d have preferred windows to the line of french doors. I didn’t like the steps / change of levels - seemed a bit arty-farty. I liked the utility storage, having seen something similar in operation in a town house recently. The drying cupboard seems like a great idea too.

    I wasn’t sure about the height of the TV in a fairly narrow room. Would this make for comfortable viewing for those on the couch directly opposite?

    And what was the ‘in memory of Karl ….’ in the titles all about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    They had a side gate so I suspect their back garden backed into neighbours back garden.

    I would be reluctant to block that up or making it really narrow. Dragging stuff grass cuttings etc through the house is a pain.

    I don't understand why they had their bikes in the house when they could bring them into back garden easily enough.....think that was just for tv purposes.

    They could have fitted an utility room in the design but let's face it , with the amount of clutter they had, it would have just turned into a dumping ground....out of sight out of mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Was the the house in Limerick? The way the program was edited, I had concerns about how it would turn out as it went along, but they ended up doing an absolutely amazing job on it. Not picture perfect as you say but perfect at the same time. It was one of the only times watching those shows that I stood back and said that's amazing for what the spent.

    I think one of the parents of the couple was a builder that helped out, wasn't you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭meep


    Those ceiling speakers for the cinema are always a very poor compromise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,651 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    8k a sq meter, a smsll 3sqm one would have added €24k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭straight


    Only if you're fool enough to pay it. They were looking for a few thousand to put an RSJ in downstairs. Fools and their money



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Unfortunately, if it was easy for them to bring the bikes around the back, then it was also easy for someone to go around the back and steal them. Bikes get stolen in Dublin an awful lot. I suspect anyone bringing them indoors probably had one stolen before.

    For the money spent, a utility room should really have been worked into it/stayed in the plans. He was lucky she got distracted by the fancy hot press. A bike rack/hanger in same utility room would could easily have been achieved.

    We did up a very small 2 up 2 down house many years ago and managed/made sure to get a downstairs toilet and a small utility room in. Almost essential imo. Storing them in a fancy cupboard is still going to mean they can hear the washing machine in that lovely new "tranquil" space he created.

    He made a big deal about listening to clients needs but one of the main issues the guy had was that he was sick of hearing the washing machine when trying to read. He's a (likeable) spoofer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Manzoor14


    Karl was the kitchen designer on last night's house, and a few other houses over the years, who passed away recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I know bikes get stolen but there's plenty of locked bike shed options available.

    I'm not a neatness freak by any stretch but it would wreck my head having bikes in the house, wheeling whatever crap is on the wheels into the house. Especially when there's a simple alternative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Here's a plan, build a small shed in the garden to accommodate bikes and such,the house was grand, wait till the lads are grown before tearin it apart, the house reflects yere personalities, save the money and buy a nice apartment in Spain or Portugal, somewhere warm anyway and retrofit an allmercifull kick in the hole to Bannon to send him on his way and never to darken the door of their semi again with his shytetalk... Gluck Here's my stop now🚌



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    But in the absence of that shed, I can see why they were bringing them inside. Maybe it was staged but I've seen bikes in houses a lot.

    200k spent and they still don't have a secure place for the bikes. Again, not exactly designing to the client's needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,013 ✭✭✭furiousox


    Every episode of RTI ever....

    Client wants house renovation, client approaches DB with budget.

    DB designs "forever dream home" but 10k+ over budget.

    Comprises ensue, construction begins.

    Work goes smoothly until unforseen structural issue arises adding 3k+ to the cost.

    Things get tense between DB/builder/QS/client.

    Everyone moves on from the "misunderstanding"

    DB and client go shopping for floor tiles but can't agree on which one to buy.

    DB gets sulky so client gives in.

    "I wasn't sure how we could move on from this" says DB.

    Construction is completed on time but over budget, house looks grand, everyone is happy with the outcome.

    Dermot laughs and says "I was right about the floor tiles!" and pops open a bottle of champagne.

    Everyone laughs loudly.

    Roll credits and repeat again next week.

    CPL 593H



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Pretty much but you missed the vital:

    Dermot brings clients to another house to show them why he's right and they're wrong part.

    In fairness, they've managed to make the budget less of a joke lately with the new QS. She has been a good addition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭RayCon


    Spot on. If this show has proven anything to me it is I would never hire DB. He wants to build "his vision" and everyone is left with a "show home" (OK, I know it needs to be aesthetically perfect for the end drone shot / overdubbed swirling music) that he's delighted with. I'm always wondering how families feel a year later when they actually have lived in it. Some of them look so sterile and "office-y". I want my home to be a home, not a photo in a magazine.

    A couple of weeks ago , the renovation of the farm house for the army guy and DB insisted on the installation of the 3 columns outside the kitchen extension (can't remember the correct term for them) to frame the view .... I kept thinking "OK, how much are they adding to the overall cost of the build". Call me a philistine but no.

    I should add I'm much more a substance over style sort of person so I regularly get angry watching this show and his fcukwit architectural features .... but the Mrs loves it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Many architects suffer from the ‘style over substance’ fetish. It’s not unusual to see designs that are downright dangerous, like stairs with open risers or no handrails or spiral design, because the architect reckons they look cool.

    Bannon seems to be a particularly poor as a project manager, and is frequently ‘surprised’ during the build phase by matters that he really should have clarified up front. I guess the drama of this is played up a bit for the cameras, but they really shouldn’t be surprised by the need for a steel beam or external insulation when they start building.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Would love to know how they get on with the sunken living room, going down a few steps. Surely on such a major design decision he should have warned them about the risk of tripping / lack of future proofing - or does everyone who has one (sunken living area) love them so much? More important than tile colour I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    All these people needed was some organization, they spent a huge amount of money to watch telly in a slightly nicer (for now) room.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I love these episodes where they are super tight on budget and 3K is a huge amount to find.

    Then low and behold at the end of the show they have a new sofa set, garden has been landscaped, new telly etc etc.


    And as for these cowboys who started a job without the funds being in place, very unfair on the builder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deeec


    A friend has a sunken seating area in her house. She regrets doing it - the kids have tumbled down the steps a few times, when running they forget the steps are there. Also the different levels are a pain for cleaning - mopping, sweeping etc is awkward and robot hoover cant go down the steps. She also has said the area would work better all on one level - when sitting in sunken area she doesnt like being lower than people in the kitchen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    They primarily needed a garage and a utility room , to store their junk, neither of which were incorporated in the 190k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Its a non issue for the most part, you're stepping in and out your front door daily, and you're probably more likely to trip over something like a slightly off level tile than a clearly visible step. As regards design choices, realistically speaking, if you're in your 40's , why would you design for something you might need in your 70's?

    plenty of elderly folk live out their days in 2 storey builds, and ramps, chairlifts etc can always be added down the line if needed. Funnily enough, I reckon someone whos up and down stairs every day for most of their life, is likely getting some passing benefit from it, not everyone ends up crippled with Arthritis or immobile in old age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Part M Building Regulations technical guidance is absolutely clear on the need for level entry without steps, and that steps should only be used at entrances ‘in exceptional circumstances’;

    “3.2.2 Accessible Entrance The main entrance is the entrance, which a visitor not familiar with the dwelling would normally expect to approach. The entrance should be provided with a level entry i.e. with maximum threshold height of 15 mm with exposed edges chamfered or pencil rounded;”

    There’s good reason for this, as steps are a risk factor, and can generally be designed out without losing any functionality.

    Why would you NOT want to design for your lifetime when you’re doing a once-in-a-lifetime project like this? Universal Design principles will produce a design that works for everyone and is future proofed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    The level change has to happen somewhere though, typically a sunken room leads out to the garden at the same level.

    If you raise the sunken room then you have a step down to the garden.


    Also, many homes are suspended timber, so you have to have a step up from the outside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So you adjust the levels outside to have a gentle sloped approach instead of steps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You can ramp up on the outside. Also, inside steps between living and kitchen etc would be used much more- many people would not have been in their gardens via a door betwen living a garden in the past 6 months , whereas people go between kitchen / dining and the living room thousands of times every month. What about when old people want to visit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Thats fair enough on new builds, but every other house in that estate would have been built to older regs, and dont have sloped entrances to the access doors, as you'd expect to find on a new build.

    Just because you're adding an extension, doesn't mean that you have to retroactively go through the entire house and bring it into line with current regs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deeec


    But they built an extension that internally is a different level to the rest of the house. Silly thing to do as it may not suit them as they age - for the elderly even a few steps can be a problem. Its also not wheelchair accessible should anyone in the house become disabled.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    What age are they? mid forties? they could have 30 years before mobility becomes an issue?

    should we all live in bungalows? what do older people who live in apartments do if the lift is broken?

    you cant engineer for every possible outcome, only do best practice and use common sense.


    I'll posit another example,

    in a downstairs bathroom in new builds, there has to be a clear access space of something like 1200mm x 760mm, to facilitate wheelchair access.

    Now lets go to the retrofit scenario, downstairs bathroom, picking out your ware.

    lets just say that you'd love to fit a vanity unit in here, but its slightly too big and encroaches on the aforementioned space. Now, as a forty year old person , do you forego 30 years of use with the vanity unit you'd like, over going for something you'll be unhappy with for years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,813 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn



    Most people I know who've gone this route houses ends up looking like normal homes after while.

    They've all gotten rid of the white and grey and ended up with colours, picture's, extra bits of furniture and clothes horses.

    One common thing I've seen/known about is they ended up with loads of cushions/throws to make the place more cosey and got blinds or curtains especially for the Winter evenings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Does it not make sense to plan for the future. Most people wont have the money in their old age to do a big job on their house to make it age friendly. What if elderly parents etc come to stay with them.

    I dont live in a bungalow but I do have a bedroom and bathroom downstairs should anything happen in the future that makes climbing stairs difficult - but I never intend to move so it made sense to make it futureproof.

    A vanity unit is trivial compared to correcting different levels, steps etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    I've no issue with planning for the future, but you can't live your life according to what MIGHT happen.

    theres a saying 'perfection is the enemy of good' - in this case, if people were to wait around chasing the perfect house that covers every single potential outcome, they might never have something that would cover 95% of all possible needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    My comments about the stepped entrance were about the previous two weeks, effectively new builds, and Bannon slapped in steps at both front doors, in breach of Part M.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Read up on universal design. A competent designer will have no difficulty achieving this goal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,631 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Clearly hit the shelf of the press door.

    He got a massive screen and projector. Like a cinema a guess. 😂

    Completely pointless. Better off having two of them as fixed windows without a centre split. Then put a bi fold on the very end of the extension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,631 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Except she says 'joyces' when she means 'joists'. A bit pedantic, but it put me off her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭fliball123


    All commentary and criticism aside 190k for a small extension that did not include some joinery, the garden and the furniture... I cannot see Bannon on next year as the vast majority of Irish people will simply not be able to afford this. He may have to travel to the UK where prices are within the sphere of reality of being reasonable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    He would be laughed out of it in the UK.

    George Clarke would do a similar extension for 50k in the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Thats DBs point though.

    You have 3 options

    1) 100% Minimalist design

    2) Minimalist framework with colours, etc added through individual pieces

    3) Bright vibrant design


    What people seem to think they want is bright vibrant design and bright colours and standout pieces of furniture and standout pieces of art.

    It doesnt work and looks terrible, you see nothing other than mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I presume they spent extra pumping the cavity but since thats not dramatic that dont show any of that on R2I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Didnt the QS state that the pumping of the cavity wall was a couple of grand where did the other 186k/187k go. Its absolutely farcical. Room to Improve will soon only have the rich and famous on it for those prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    100% farcicial.

    At one stage they cant afford insulation, then they have bloody pergolas with an outside patio by the end and all within budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Be right back


    They really need a new architect fronting the show.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Or two competing architects proposing different designs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭fliball123


    I dont agree with you on much Andrew but that would be a great idea and would be great to see how can get in at the cheapest price while getting the spec the customer wants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I think the show needs total overhaul

    What does it want to be? 75% of it now is DB entertaining us, its certainly not an informative show (compared to any of its English Counterparts)

    Its very thin on content, to the point of being pointless IMO. No rea figures given, we dont get details on whats being added or low level details on what they actually spent and on what.

    Think I'm going to just give it a miss as it annoys me more than anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,813 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think your better off giving it a miss. Room to Improve is basically reality TV about building a house/extension.

    Your looking for a different format/style of program going by what you described.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




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