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Room to Improve (v2)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Manzoor14


    Karl was the kitchen designer on last night's house, and a few other houses over the years, who passed away recently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I know bikes get stolen but there's plenty of locked bike shed options available.

    I'm not a neatness freak by any stretch but it would wreck my head having bikes in the house, wheeling whatever crap is on the wheels into the house. Especially when there's a simple alternative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Here's a plan, build a small shed in the garden to accommodate bikes and such,the house was grand, wait till the lads are grown before tearin it apart, the house reflects yere personalities, save the money and buy a nice apartment in Spain or Portugal, somewhere warm anyway and retrofit an allmercifull kick in the hole to Bannon to send him on his way and never to darken the door of their semi again with his shytetalk... Gluck Here's my stop now🚌



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,094 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    But in the absence of that shed, I can see why they were bringing them inside. Maybe it was staged but I've seen bikes in houses a lot.

    200k spent and they still don't have a secure place for the bikes. Again, not exactly designing to the client's needs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭furiousox


    Every episode of RTI ever....

    Client wants house renovation, client approaches DB with budget.

    DB designs "forever dream home" but 10k+ over budget.

    Comprises ensue, construction begins.

    Work goes smoothly until unforseen structural issue arises adding 3k+ to the cost.

    Things get tense between DB/builder/QS/client.

    Everyone moves on from the "misunderstanding"

    DB and client go shopping for floor tiles but can't agree on which one to buy.

    DB gets sulky so client gives in.

    "I wasn't sure how we could move on from this" says DB.

    Construction is completed on time but over budget, house looks grand, everyone is happy with the outcome.

    Dermot laughs and says "I was right about the floor tiles!" and pops open a bottle of champagne.

    Everyone laughs loudly.

    Roll credits and repeat again next week.

    CPL 593H



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,094 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Pretty much but you missed the vital:

    Dermot brings clients to another house to show them why he's right and they're wrong part.

    In fairness, they've managed to make the budget less of a joke lately with the new QS. She has been a good addition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭RayCon


    Spot on. If this show has proven anything to me it is I would never hire DB. He wants to build "his vision" and everyone is left with a "show home" (OK, I know it needs to be aesthetically perfect for the end drone shot / overdubbed swirling music) that he's delighted with. I'm always wondering how families feel a year later when they actually have lived in it. Some of them look so sterile and "office-y". I want my home to be a home, not a photo in a magazine.

    A couple of weeks ago , the renovation of the farm house for the army guy and DB insisted on the installation of the 3 columns outside the kitchen extension (can't remember the correct term for them) to frame the view .... I kept thinking "OK, how much are they adding to the overall cost of the build". Call me a philistine but no.

    I should add I'm much more a substance over style sort of person so I regularly get angry watching this show and his fcukwit architectural features .... but the Mrs loves it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,448 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Many architects suffer from the ‘style over substance’ fetish. It’s not unusual to see designs that are downright dangerous, like stairs with open risers or no handrails or spiral design, because the architect reckons they look cool.

    Bannon seems to be a particularly poor as a project manager, and is frequently ‘surprised’ during the build phase by matters that he really should have clarified up front. I guess the drama of this is played up a bit for the cameras, but they really shouldn’t be surprised by the need for a steel beam or external insulation when they start building.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Would love to know how they get on with the sunken living room, going down a few steps. Surely on such a major design decision he should have warned them about the risk of tripping / lack of future proofing - or does everyone who has one (sunken living area) love them so much? More important than tile colour I think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,057 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    All these people needed was some organization, they spent a huge amount of money to watch telly in a slightly nicer (for now) room.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,057 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I love these episodes where they are super tight on budget and 3K is a huge amount to find.

    Then low and behold at the end of the show they have a new sofa set, garden has been landscaped, new telly etc etc.


    And as for these cowboys who started a job without the funds being in place, very unfair on the builder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭Deeec


    A friend has a sunken seating area in her house. She regrets doing it - the kids have tumbled down the steps a few times, when running they forget the steps are there. Also the different levels are a pain for cleaning - mopping, sweeping etc is awkward and robot hoover cant go down the steps. She also has said the area would work better all on one level - when sitting in sunken area she doesnt like being lower than people in the kitchen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,541 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    They primarily needed a garage and a utility room , to store their junk, neither of which were incorporated in the 190k.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Its a non issue for the most part, you're stepping in and out your front door daily, and you're probably more likely to trip over something like a slightly off level tile than a clearly visible step. As regards design choices, realistically speaking, if you're in your 40's , why would you design for something you might need in your 70's?

    plenty of elderly folk live out their days in 2 storey builds, and ramps, chairlifts etc can always be added down the line if needed. Funnily enough, I reckon someone whos up and down stairs every day for most of their life, is likely getting some passing benefit from it, not everyone ends up crippled with Arthritis or immobile in old age.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,448 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Part M Building Regulations technical guidance is absolutely clear on the need for level entry without steps, and that steps should only be used at entrances ‘in exceptional circumstances’;

    “3.2.2 Accessible Entrance The main entrance is the entrance, which a visitor not familiar with the dwelling would normally expect to approach. The entrance should be provided with a level entry i.e. with maximum threshold height of 15 mm with exposed edges chamfered or pencil rounded;”

    There’s good reason for this, as steps are a risk factor, and can generally be designed out without losing any functionality.

    Why would you NOT want to design for your lifetime when you’re doing a once-in-a-lifetime project like this? Universal Design principles will produce a design that works for everyone and is future proofed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,057 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    The level change has to happen somewhere though, typically a sunken room leads out to the garden at the same level.

    If you raise the sunken room then you have a step down to the garden.


    Also, many homes are suspended timber, so you have to have a step up from the outside.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,448 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So you adjust the levels outside to have a gentle sloped approach instead of steps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You can ramp up on the outside. Also, inside steps between living and kitchen etc would be used much more- many people would not have been in their gardens via a door betwen living a garden in the past 6 months , whereas people go between kitchen / dining and the living room thousands of times every month. What about when old people want to visit?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Thats fair enough on new builds, but every other house in that estate would have been built to older regs, and dont have sloped entrances to the access doors, as you'd expect to find on a new build.

    Just because you're adding an extension, doesn't mean that you have to retroactively go through the entire house and bring it into line with current regs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭Deeec


    But they built an extension that internally is a different level to the rest of the house. Silly thing to do as it may not suit them as they age - for the elderly even a few steps can be a problem. Its also not wheelchair accessible should anyone in the house become disabled.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    What age are they? mid forties? they could have 30 years before mobility becomes an issue?

    should we all live in bungalows? what do older people who live in apartments do if the lift is broken?

    you cant engineer for every possible outcome, only do best practice and use common sense.


    I'll posit another example,

    in a downstairs bathroom in new builds, there has to be a clear access space of something like 1200mm x 760mm, to facilitate wheelchair access.

    Now lets go to the retrofit scenario, downstairs bathroom, picking out your ware.

    lets just say that you'd love to fit a vanity unit in here, but its slightly too big and encroaches on the aforementioned space. Now, as a forty year old person , do you forego 30 years of use with the vanity unit you'd like, over going for something you'll be unhappy with for years?



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,236 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn



    Most people I know who've gone this route houses ends up looking like normal homes after while.

    They've all gotten rid of the white and grey and ended up with colours, picture's, extra bits of furniture and clothes horses.

    One common thing I've seen/known about is they ended up with loads of cushions/throws to make the place more cosey and got blinds or curtains especially for the Winter evenings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Does it not make sense to plan for the future. Most people wont have the money in their old age to do a big job on their house to make it age friendly. What if elderly parents etc come to stay with them.

    I dont live in a bungalow but I do have a bedroom and bathroom downstairs should anything happen in the future that makes climbing stairs difficult - but I never intend to move so it made sense to make it futureproof.

    A vanity unit is trivial compared to correcting different levels, steps etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    I've no issue with planning for the future, but you can't live your life according to what MIGHT happen.

    theres a saying 'perfection is the enemy of good' - in this case, if people were to wait around chasing the perfect house that covers every single potential outcome, they might never have something that would cover 95% of all possible needs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,448 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    My comments about the stepped entrance were about the previous two weeks, effectively new builds, and Bannon slapped in steps at both front doors, in breach of Part M.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,448 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Read up on universal design. A competent designer will have no difficulty achieving this goal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Clearly hit the shelf of the press door.

    He got a massive screen and projector. Like a cinema a guess. 😂

    Completely pointless. Better off having two of them as fixed windows without a centre split. Then put a bi fold on the very end of the extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Except she says 'joyces' when she means 'joists'. A bit pedantic, but it put me off her.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,445 ✭✭✭fliball123


    All commentary and criticism aside 190k for a small extension that did not include some joinery, the garden and the furniture... I cannot see Bannon on next year as the vast majority of Irish people will simply not be able to afford this. He may have to travel to the UK where prices are within the sphere of reality of being reasonable.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,541 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    He would be laughed out of it in the UK.

    George Clarke would do a similar extension for 50k in the UK.



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