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Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,102 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There was absolutely no reason why she should have been the one to sit in the captains chair on the Stargazer at the end of s2. Absolutely ridiculous fan service shte.

    She was denied entry to Starfleet Academy and is now a captain. You would be well pised if you were busting your arss for Starfleet for years and still a lieutenant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Yeah the Shenzhou was neat, if as you say a tad "busy" in its look. But that's generally the problem with all the ship design in NuTrek. There's a weird compulsion to just add geometry and angles everywhere for no other reason than ... I dunno. We live in a HD era so you wanna show off that detail?

    It's funny 'cos the ships on The Expanse were nothing more than flying bricks half the time yet their silhouettes were often much more striking and recognisable. I could sketch you a rough drawing of the Rocinante - yet La Sirena? PFfffh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,732 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    But that bridge on the new trailer. I know it was mentioned earlier as being a horror show. It is AWFUL. To paraphrase Duff Brewery master brewers: "Needs more dog... steps. Oh, and more lights but, somehow, darker"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,102 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's basically the Stargazer bridge which is more reason to just use the Stargazer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,401 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Can you imagine Harry Kim finding out about this :P He must be *at least* Lieutenant (Junior Grade) by now :D

    I think Season 2 mentioned something about rejecting Seven from formally joining Starfleet and that Janeway even threatened to resign on the back of that (which she clearly didn't based on Nemesis). I was kind of assuming that given Seven's experence as an active Crewman she could have continued as an NCO and went the way of O'Brien to become a Chief Petty Officer. Not an "Officer" in the strictest sense, but clearly a valuable member of the fleet. Seven would have been pretty useful to Starfleet Command in their anti-Borg planning and tech, so it is baffiling that they would reject her membership. I get that the writers needed her to be away from Starfleet to pull off this "Lone-Wolf Space Warrior" thing they had planned for her, but they needed a better reason than Starfleet going: "An ex-Borg with years of experience intergrating Borg & Starfleet tech? Nah....you're grand...thanks anyway..."

    The whole Borg thing being their basis for rejection doesn't sit well in my head either. If ST:Prodigy is cannon (I know...if ), then the ex-Marquis members of the crew did get commisioned since Chakotay did get his captaincy, and Starfleet really seemed to have a hangup about The Marquis. If Marquis can get in, surely a helpful victim of the Borg is golden?

    But nah....no Starfleet for you Seven. Or...at least not until Raffi brings the idea out of the Ether in S2, and then insists that not only is Seven Starfleet material, but also *Captain* material. Raffi feels a bit like a a proxy for the writers who have now decided that Seven is now command material and need that thread out there. It would have made more sense for Picard to say it (the one who actually has been a Captain, with years of command experience) and then him handing command to Seven at the end would have sit better. Hell, that should have been an arc between Picard & Seven thoughout the season, and not just Raffi suddenly bigging up her ex-girlfriend's career chances.

    All that said...will Seven be a good Trek Captain? I think, maybe? Seven is one of the better characters in Picard I feel, but I hope they remember to write her as an actual Captain and not just Burnham it up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    The Shenzhou's main problem is it's upside down.


    On Seven's rank do we know how long it's been since season two? Pulling a Kurk or Riker and getting to Commander in about five years isn't unheard of. There's even Captains with less time in Starfleet than Voyager season six Harry Kim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Maybe Seven is a captain now because the Warm-n-Fuzzy Borg are now part of the Federation :trollface:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,102 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Rikers was a commander though.

    She was never even an ensign. She would have to pull a Tilly Riker double.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,338 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I have that Simpsons "No Homers club" scene in my head right now.

    "Sorry, no Borgs". "But you let Icheb in". "Says no Borgs. We're allowed have one".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    If it's been a few years since season two it wouldn't be unheard of that she's gone from ensign to commander in that time. That or Fenris has joined the Federation and she got in as part of absorbing the Fenrisian Rangers. That was one of the hurdles with Bajor joining the Federation, integrating the Bajoran Militia into Starfleet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,493 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    *sigh*

    They are going to mess this up again aren't they?

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Don't watch it, you know it makes sense. Fool me once n all that...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,543 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    US military has doctors as commissioned officers but the rank they join at after their training varies based on their medical experience, we also have some of the higher positions in law enforcement coming from outside (Ireland included).

    As with medicine, the same could be said to apply for other fields in starfleet. Seven could have raked up a load of doctorates or maybe without and done the same.

    They wouldn't have had to even incorporate the Fenrisian Rangers for her to join and be granted that rank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,401 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'm probably going to watch this, but experiece has now taught me to be very wary after Episode 2/3. I have very little faith of them writing enough material for 8 episodes, and fully expect them to pull off the same time-wasting nonsense we saw in Season 2. Hopefully I'm wrong, and that hope will have me watching this time.

    However, if Weasley turns up again with that stupid grin he had on his face in the S2 finale, heavy items will be thrown at the screen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Wouldn't it make sense though to hold off 'til some consensus leaks through - save yourself some time and broken TVs? To be fair, I'd be happy to return to this, if I saw trust opinions saying "... actually, it's good this time!", but not 'til a few episodes aired at the very least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭McFly85


    It really bothered me that the used the supernova as an excuse to turn the Romulans into a bunch of space nomads overnight. The Romulan empire would be in disarray for sure, but the leadership should have survived(given the fact that the Romulans had enough time to go ask Spock for help), and presumably the Romulan empire includes multiple star systems, they’d be a pretty stupid race to not have a backup location.

    I always thought a story about Picard as an admiral leading the aid efforts to the Romulan Empire after the supernova(kind of like how it showed him doing) , before being swept in to a conspiracy about the actual cause of the event and what it would mean for the galaxy would be a good one.

    It would keep the series based in Starfleet while giving us a series centered on the last great adversary of the galaxy. Picard never had any tolerance for institutionalised secrets anyway so you would imagine he’d be determined to get to the truth regardless of who it affected.

    But I suppose then that would have limited the opportunity for Brent Spiner to come back as yet another Noonien Soong🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,102 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I'm gonna watch it out of curiosity. Unlike season 2 I wont be at all upset if it's sht because I have no expectations after that disaster of a season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    The Romulan situation annoys me too but there might be another factor to it. Shinzon killed the entire government a few years earlier leaving no real successor, and the Romulan Star Empire doesn't seem like the most stable nation at the best of times, so they could have been fractured or barely holding together before the lost their home system to the supernova.

    This doesn't excuse the warrior space nuns, absolute candor, real fake doors, throuple marriages, and all the other definitely-canon-but-not-depicted-on-screen-for-some-reason fanfiction the original showrunner published.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ordinarily I'd probably do the same, mostly out of morbid curiosity but Season 2 was just so so soooo bad, and there's just so much good TV out there - even SciFi - it just seems like a waste of my time. Plus, admittedly, with two 2-and-unders our TV time has become precious. Can't be wasting it on shíte 😂That and if you're watching it minus the help of the High Seas it's just rewarding those making it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,102 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I was thinking the same about Shinzon.

    Trek has always had an annoying problem too where when it suits the writers the Klingon Empire (Praxis), the Romulans or the Federation are suddenly boiled down to 1 planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,493 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I get that but they were Empires. And arnt Empires by nature very centralised with little control or thought given to outlier colonies or lands. Nearly everything feeds the capital.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The whole Romulan nomad thing makes no sense. They had an empire. 100s of planets in size. Just move. Done.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,102 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Na that doesn't add up. The Romulan supernova would not have wiped out the Romulan fleet. There is no reason why they would be destitute without Starfleets help.

    They could easily have raised their own rescue fleet just as quickly and would not be living in gifted shantytown planets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    But when the Praetor dies after he's killed all the Senators, probably some senior Tal'Shiar and admirals who takes over with no clear successor? It's kind of a recipe for civil war that probably would be interesting to see unfold, if given to someone competent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,493 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    The Civil War storyline on STO was interesting and made sense that the Empire would fracture.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    I never got around to STO and since I got a little too into Neverwinter for a few months I don't do MMOs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,493 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Trekyards claiming the altered Spacedock in the latest trailer may actually be a space museum.


    image.png

    possibly NCC1701-A? This where our surviving hero ships go?

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,102 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Would take you a long time to visit all those ships and that station.



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