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N5/N26/N58 - Castlebar-Bohola / Swinford-Mount Falcon

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,369 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    I think you may be right, though; but in the short term, at least, I can't see this having any huge benefits, until the whole thing is completed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Rougies


    Hi guys, I know most of this thread is focused on the N26, but is there any news on the Castlebar-Bohola N5 upgrade?

    Here https://www.mayo.ie/national-roads-office/schemes/in-planning/n5-n26-n58 it says "The proposed project will consider the upgrade of the existing N5 from Turlough to Bohola."

    Do you think it would be likely to go ahead? And if so, would be right in saying it would be a newly built road running alongside the existing N5?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    I'd say Turlough to Bohola is on ice for now - it wouldn't be seen as particularly urgent because the road is decent already. There are separate projects in the early design phase for N26 Ballina to Foxford and N58 Foxford bypass, but that's it AFAIK.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    I don't think that stretch will get upgraded in the next 25 years at a minimum. Based on traffic numbers I felt there may have been justification to include Castlebar to Ballyvary as part of the Westport to Castlebar project (I think the AADT numbers are actually higher for Ballyvary to Castlebar than for Castlebar to Westport as a lot of the traffic doesn't continue past Castlebar), but it didn't happen so probably won't now as a standalone project. East of Ballyvary, after the turnoff for Ballina, the traffic numbers don't warrant any further upgrade as the current road is of a reasonably decent standard relative to it's usage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Following the TII allocations last month, here's a quick summary of the 2 parts of this scheme that are currently being funded, the N58 Foxford bypass and N26 Mount Falcon to Foxford. Both were funded for the first time last year.


    N58 Foxford bypass: This received 100k in 2022 and 250k this year. This is being progressed as a major project even though it would only be 3km of SC, most likely because the Moy crossing will be expensive. It is not included in the NDP but TII mentioned it specifically in a recent press release as a project that will progress rapidly, as part of the Government’s Town Centres First policy. Local councillors have come out strongly against the bypass, saying they were not consulted, so it will be interesting to see if they remain opposed.

    It will also be interesting to see if the new Moy bridge will cause environmental concerns. The new bridge at Cloongullane was almost denied planning as the ABP inspector recommended refusal for environmental reasons, but was fortunately overruled by the Board.

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    N26 Mount Falcon to Foxford: This received 100k in 2022 and 200k in 2023. This will consist of the online upgrade of the N26 from Mount Falcon to the start of the planned Foxford bypass near O'Haras bakery. It hasn't been said officially but this would almost certainly be type 1 SC due to the traffic levels on this stretch of the N26.

    At some point this project may have to be split as the full 8km upgrade may not be doable for less than the 20m euro cut-off for minor works projects. I would see this project as being more urgent than the Foxford bypass, and I think local people will feel the same way, but Eamon Ryan may have other ideas.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Healy92


    The bypass of Foxford could be so wide on the west side that it could be faster to still go through the town!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    That’s unlikely, The existing route is 2.3 km long, and under a 60 and 50 km/h limit for most of that distance (the southern approach is at 80). If the bypass is 3.0 km at 100km/h, or even 80, then even with no delays, you could not legally go through town in a shorter time.

    The odd route is because this is a very small section of a much bigger plan to realign N5, N26 and N58 (N5/N26/N58 Castlebar East to Bohola and Swinford to Mount Falcon) The route corridor for that includes a northern bypass of Foxford carrying the N26 round to meet this section of road.

    On safety grounds, I think the section south of Foxford should have been included, but then I suppose it would be over the price of a "small works" scheme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    As long as it doesn't become like the Bishops Stortford bypass, which is a similar shape with 10 roundabouts. Or Burgess Hill, which got seven.


    Thats my only worry about these town-centre specific bypasses, they tend to get festooned with roundabouts and become useless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Dungarvan is the Irish example: two terminal roundabouts plus five intermediate ones along a 3 km stretch of road. Despite the name, N25 around Dungarvan was never really a bypass, more of a relief-road for the town.

    This scheme is further from Foxford than N25 is from Dungarvan, and national routes are under much more planning protection than they used to be, which should prevent new junctions springing up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭user1842


    I really don't understand why the proposed Foxford bypass is not extended to meet the N26 on the east of Foxford. Seems like a wasted opportunity to kill two birds with one bypass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    It's good to see the upgrade of the N26 from Ballina to Foxford appears to be moving ahead of the Foxford bypass in the road upgrade pecking order.

    The N26 upgrade is proceeding to route options selection stage later in the summer, while the Foxford bypass, one of Eamon Ryan's pet projects, is still stuck at the strategic assessment stage.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


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    Mod: Post deleted - read the charter before posting again.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.etenders.gov.ie/epps/cft/prepareViewCfTWS.do?resourceId=3883532

    Tender out for topographical survey for Foxford-Mount Falcon.

    Has much been published about what's proposed here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭user1842


    The entire N26 needs to get done ASAP. The recent tragic accident should never happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Not much detail is available marno. My best guess is that Mount Falcon to Foxford will be a largely online upgrade to type 1 SC, perhaps done as 2-3 minor works projects. I would love to see a more ambitious approach though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Tender has been published for consultants to take the N58 Foxford bypass through phases 1-4. That's according to the council, I can't find it on etenders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Latest from the council:

    N26 Foxford to Mount Falcon: Options selection will conclude during Q2 2025 with preliminary design and environmental assessments commencing thereafter.

    N58 Foxford Transport Project (bypass): Consultants will be appointed in Q4 2024 to provide technical and environmental support to the project. Project appraisal, feasibility and options selection will progress throughout 2025.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    From Darragh O'Brien:

    I confirm that the N26 Foxford to Mount Falcon project received approval to progress the scheme to route option selection in July 2023. Following on from this, Mayo County Council prepared and tendered a brief for the provision of technical adviser services. The technical advisers were appointed in February 2024. A virtual public consultation was held between 13 November and 2 December 2024 to aid in the development of options. Work is continuing on the selection of assessment of potential options with an anticipated selection of a preferred route in late 2025. I agree with Senator Duffy regarding the N26 being the gateway to the north west. The Senator makes a good point on the importance of that route, the N26. It is important that we upgrade it to national standard and I thank the Senator for raising that matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Public consultation on route options for Mount Falcon to Foxford at the end of the month. I'd expect them all to be largely on the line of the existing road, but we'll wait and see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    The route options have been published and very surprisingly 4 of the 5 options are for a dual carriageway, even though a DC for this route was turned down by ABP in 2010.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Would you have a link for the previous planning application for this? We're on a couple of the possible routes and I'd like to have a look at what route was chosen previously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I think the difference is that 2+2 (Type 2 DC) wouldn't have been an option in 2010.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Funnily enough, that was the exact problem. Ballina to Bohola phase 2 was designed as a wide single carriageway and then changed late in the day to type 2 DC as the WS2 standard was withdrawn.

    Anyway the new proposal appears to be 2+1, a road type I thought was dead and buried.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Here you go. It's the green line. I have a better pic on an old computer somewhere but you get the gist.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭user1842




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Is there a massive cost difference between 2+1 and 2+2? Because 2+1s are horrible things to drive on and encourage some awful driving near the sections where they "switch sides" for the want of a better description. Wheres 2+2s are almost as good as motorways from an ease of driving perspective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I remember seeing on here years ago that TII (or the NRA at the time) said it was only 10% more expensive for 2+2 versus 2+1.



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