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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    I would trust a nigerian prince email before bojo.

    Last I heard hes living in the "home" of a multi-millionaires wife, for ""free"".

    Claims hes broke, poor lad. Came out lately he put 4 grand on govt expenses for a dinner.

    .

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    As I have explained to you, it's not the Rand corporation expressing their unbiased view, that report was commissioned from them by right wing billionaire Charles Koch to put out a Pro Russia, anti Ukraine support piece because it's significantly in his financial interests as his companies have ignored sanctions and are still operating in Russia and are engaged with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,017 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Which would your instinct go with?

    Your mistrust of Boris Johnson?

    Or your sense that Vladimir Putin wouldn't threaten a head of State with death in a phone call prior to an invasion that he's been building his whole life as a statesman towards?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I have to agree, there is an element of absurdity about the Russian casualty figures.


    They are still suffering massive losses , the US estimate of 100k dead and injured as of the end of November makes sense and reflects that.

    Figures of 110k dead and 350k injured are fantastical.


    From weeks before the invasion European countries should have been making it clear that while it might not be a hot war that they would see it as a war time situation. The Brits did, the Polacks did, the Balts did and the massive inflow of anti tank weapon, anti aircraft missiles was a game changer for Ukraine when Russia eventually did invade.

    12 months on, much of Europe is still only coming around to the idea.

    Russia will not conquer all of Ukraine but it may take the 4 annexed oblasts, at an incredible cost to all sides and probably their own long term stability.


    The risk of this becoming a multi year war grows every day it goes on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,017 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Very interesting piece on the Poles repairing Ukrainian equipment and sending it back

    "WARSAW—In a sprawling factory complex surrounded by derelict buildings, hundreds of technicians are working around the clock on one of the biggest challenges of Ukraine’s war: repairing artillery and heavy armor and returning it to the front line.

    Mechanics buzz around the football-field-sized workshop housing three AHS Krab guns, the air thick with the smell of metal dust and automotive grease. Two of the Krabs, which look like tanks but are self-propelled 155mm howitzer guns, are missing parts of their caterpillar tracks and are riddled with bullet holes and contorted metal.

    Another Krab stands sparkling clean, ready to be ferried back into Ukraine along a route that has seen the biggest transfer of arms in Europe since World War II. Each weapon can take up to two months to repair by technicians who must pass layers of security checks before they are allowed onto the floor of the factory at a location The Wall Street Journal agreed not to disclose.

    In addition to the repair work in Poland, the mechanics are in constant contact with technicians in Ukraine—many of whom were civilians before the war—teaching them over encrypted apps how to repair everything from tanks to missiles."


    "On the factory floor, technicians work in three shifts around the clock and are in regular contact with Ukrainians on the battlefield. They share information about best techniques for repairs over encrypted messages and a HelpDesk app that helps them to troubleshoot problems. 

    Polish mechanics said they once used the chat application to teach a Ukrainian postman-turned-soldier to repair a missile. 

    Mechanics sometimes find soldiers’ belongings inside the Krabs: a toothbrush, unfinished snacks or family photos. Dariusz Gawinek, a mechanicsaid that repairing the hardware has made him more committed to helping the war effort.

    “The Krabs arrive here with leaves, mud, sand, twigs stuck to the body and caterpillars. It is Ukrainian soil,” he said. “It hit me really hard the first time I went inside of one.”"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It was a great tragedy that the USSR wasn't dismantled at birth, the most murderous half century in human history could have been avoided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Oil is the Russian economy, gas to Europe is nice pocket money, they'll miss it now it's gone but it is not that much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Britain and France have capable militaries.


    German does not, for the last no. of years it hasn't even had a unified command structure. Decrepit and run down and deliberately underfunded and undermined for 20 years is the only description.


    Italy who knows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    They have shown images of several mobilisation documents received by Orcs after the date it was supposed to have ceased, and pointed out that the legislation that needed to be passed to cease the mobilisation legally, still has not happened.

    A Russian Telegram channel dedicated to providing Russians legal support to avoid compulsory military service published a document dated Nov. 29 from the Russian National Guard’s Organizational and Staff Department, the Institute for the Study of War said in its latest report. 

    The document indicates that despite Russian President Vladimir Putin’s announcement of the formal end of partial mobilization on Oct. 31, Putin’s initial mobilization decree continues to be in force and that “there are no legal grounds for dismissal from military service upon the expiration of service contract.” 

    This report is consistent with previous ISW findings that Russian entities are preparing for more mobilization efforts. The experts also quote the Odintsovo garrison military court in Moscow Oblast that inadvertently confirmed in mid-November that mobilization is continuing despite its formal end.

    https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,017 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I certainly don't see any end in sight at the moment, indeed could drag on for years.

    Casualties are a tough one. There was a leak of the gross amount of Russian payments to families of fallen soldiers back in Sept last year which, if true, indicated around 50k were dead or missing at that time (not including LNR and DNR figures).

    I take most estimates with a pinch of salt, but I'd expect attrition also be high among the Ru army - accidents, bad medical care, desertions, exposure, self-mutilation, etc. Having to drain prisons is never a good sign. Suspect there will be much more mobilisation to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    A Bojo claim is worth nothing.

    Bojo, David Icke, Mystic Meg, Scientologists warrant the same level of trust when they say something.

    You can put Vlad in there too if you like, I wont object. But Bojo is just talking any old sht for money again imho.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The Ukrainian MoD stating an attack has been "repelled" does not mean what you think it means. Youre thinking far too literal

    It means the line of contact is at place X and the Ukrainians have been engaging the enemy and not allowing them to gain ground - it does not mean that people were literally charging forward and being repelled backward like some kind of tug of war match.

    Most of these positions are entrenched, and most of the attacks are artillery and drones probing. The combat footage shows this too.

    And unfortunately they are not repelled every time either - wagner have captured blahodatnoye and attacks reported on Vasukivka, moving slowly NW of Soledar into the towns and villages along Bakhmutka river

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    The big picture? Wagner/Russia are pushing north to dislodge the AFU from Seversk. Shown below are the 2 roads left to supply Seversk.

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    At current rate of attrition theres at least 3 weeks before Wagner reach Sviato-Pokrovksy and cut off 1 of the 2 routes outs. If they do, its likely Seversk will be evacuated, and with it a large chunk of land to the East. It also makes the attacks on Kreminna from the forest plantations either side of Seversky-Donets impossible to keep up, as previously the AFU took advantage of their control of right bank of the river to ferry small groups of troops across the river and into the forests around kreminna. This will stop if the AFU lose Seversk

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    The AFU need a big counterattack to stop Seversk from falling or else they have a mountain to climb to regain it and lands near Kreminna later on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Bojo is an egomaniacal bs artist but he will be seated next to Zelensky come the victory parade in Kyiv at the end of the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    My bank statements are none of your concern
    

    And neither is any of my personal information yours. Thanks for making the point for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Funny that none of this info is in the document itself. You might want to provide links with quotes. Relaible ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,433 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The past 2 day's there seems to be an decrease in the size of the Russian attacks. They must be running out of prisoner's to just throw at Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Liveuamap.com is your man. It's a Ukranian source, so not objective, but neither would a Russian source be objective. They tend to be a little late reporting Ukranan losses, but they get there.

    Every day, they have this particular story about attacks being repelled. It's hard to know what it means: did Russia launch a full-scale attack that they threw back, or did they shoot a few rounds over nonmanslad?

    Here's today's offering:

    Ukrainian military repelled Russian attacks near Bilohorivka of Luhansk region and Yampolivka, Rozdolivka, Vasukivka, Paraskoviyivka, Bakhmut, Ivanivske, Klischiyivka, Kurdumivka and Ozaryanivka of Donetsk region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That info, as I now point out for the second time, is stated on the page where the report is located. I did the links and quote bits in my original post, so no need for me to repeat the exercise for the obtuse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Not if I like. I have nothing to do with it.

    But it's interesting the same argument that Russians use to project onto others is what you are using are to protect one's s(kin).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,017 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Not a fan, and he's a bit of a Churchill wannabe, but indeed he's been a key supporter of Ukraine, which has translated into real results (not just photo ops). Far better than the alternative.

    I suspect he won't be the only one at the victory parade, half the world will turn up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    This highlights the supply chain and maintenance issues that Ukraine is suffering. Heavy material must be recovered and shipped many hundreds of km (more than 1000km round trip is probably normal) to a safe place to repair as there aren't any in Ukraine - because of risk of missile/drone strike anywhere in Ukraine.

    Russians don't suffer from this problem to anywhere near the same extent as they only have to move facilities to outside the (hard coded limited) range of the few HIMARS that are left, which they mostly have since October. They also aren't trying to maintain supply chains for hundreds of different vehicles at the same time further complicating things.

    Logistics win and lose wars.

    No end of morale boosting headlines and no time frame "game changing" deliverables, which are likely only to compound this problem btw, are going to change this strategic reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,462 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    In such a case, zero doubt he'll be center stage.

    And he'll sell the story the next morning.

    For a cold storage drive and 22p.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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    They have paused to retrieve their many fallen comrades so as to give them a decent burial...






    🤣 LOL like they are allowed to give two F's about their fellow countrymen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,017 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Russian missile attacks of the early days on Ukraine are now much more limited to attacks on energy infrastructure - so the Ukrainians are repairing and reconstituting equipment over much of Ukraine in relative safety (compared to the first 4 or 5 months of the war) They've been very adept in that regard, they've captured over 500 Russian main battle tanks.

    Indeed I'd say Ukraine have a relatively larger and more complex logistics challenge than the Russians, but they also have help from many economic powers (e.g. this permanent repair facility in Poland), whereas Russia is pretty isolated and also heavily sanctioned which reduces their capacity to source complex components and electronics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,025 ✭✭✭jmreire


    For 10 years the Russians tried to hold Afghanistan, and failed, and their main enemy's were Afghan tribesmen wearing the Shalwar Kamis, sandals and carrying AK47's. Only in the latter stages did they have any kind of sophisticated weaponry, curtesy of the US via Pakistan. They never had anything remotely resembling what Ukraine has presently at its disposal, and what is en-route. So if the Afghans could achieve what they did with what they had, just imagine what a Ukraine resistance movement would be like ??? I know an ex- Russian soldier who had been in Afghanistan, and even many years later, if it came up in the conversation, he would shudder at the memories. No, holding Ukraine would be a continuous nightmare for Russia.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Having a nearby ally diligently and professionally repairing and returning equipment to action, while safe from attack is a negative somehow.

    The other reach is that repairs aren't happening in Ukraine itself. I can't imagine the Ukrainian armed forces would be keen on allowing journalists and photographers visit their own repair depots.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Lol. I was wondering there alright.


    In WW2 in Berlin most sides collected their dead for burial, even collected enemy dead, all bar the Communists.


    The Red Army bulldozed what they had of their fallen in to a hole and walked away, leaving the rest to dogs, Berliners and the allies to take care of.



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