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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,005 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    They aren't the "new leader of Europe". They are however taking a key role in supplying and supporting Ukraine.

    They are very much on track to become one of Europe's most powerful militaries




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    I was listening to a Sky podcast. One military expert was adamant that the A10's were ideal for Ukraine & a far better choice than the F16's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,005 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Ukraine aid infographic

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    Close to the amount we (Europe) spent on Russian energy in 2021. Thankfully that has come right down since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭jmreire


    There has been several posts on here where it was said that Poland full expects a war with Russia, sooner or later, and it seems that they are fully preparing for it to happen. As far as they are concerned, the more Russian gets weakened now, the better. A Russia militarily destroyed will be a very good outcome for them. And the rest of the world too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Whatever about physically sick, he's definitely psychologically damaged. I'm pretty sure there's one or more likely several clinical descriptions of his type of madness.



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    Cant see how a slow flying A10 is a better choice than the SU25 Ukraine allready have,when you can get a faster F16 multirole,that can do both air to air,air to ground and SEAD missions,and have better survivability and stand off weapons and jamming pod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I haven't posted it, because people are so sceptical and seem tired of the topic, but yesterday the deputy head of UA military intelligence said they have absolute certainty that he is very sick. It seems he had colon cancer that metastasised, which is poetic justice, given what an absolute arsehole he's been his whole life, and now he has cancer in many places. The translation or original wording was slightly iffy in that it either said he has early onset Parkinsons as well or that the treatments for the cancer were causing symptoms like it.

    They also think he's being treated by western expert medicos, otherwise he'd be dead by now. If he was regularly flying to Switzerland for treatment, I wouldn't be the least surprised.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Jules De Plank didnt account for Ireland, Croatia, Cyprus, Greece, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Malta, Luxembourg, Belgium in his chart up above.

    Theres more military, humanitarian, and financial in that bunch than you might think. (60k places for refugees for 1 thing.) (And at least 90 armored vehicles)

    Or certain non-EU countries like North Macedonia, which might seem like m'eh, but actually North Macedonia gave a shocking 8 T72s ! Dont fuk with North Macedonia Jules.

    U.S spent 12bn on energy imports from Saudi Arabia in 2019.

    Post edited by 20Wheel on

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,249 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    They will have to come through Poland first and the Poles will kick seven different types of Sh!te out of them if the Ukrainian's don't do it first

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Each year's EU revenue v expenditure breakdown by country is available.

    Belgium contributed more than Ireland in revenue to the EU in 2021, but the massive amount spent on the institutions in Brussels, including pensions for EU staff etc., brings their total expenditure up. Year on year they are an outlier in administration costs for Brussels.

    You said Belgium doesn't financially contribute to the EU, but that is false. They're far more of an asset than Ireland both financially and otherwise.

    Beverly Hills, California



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The A-10 was built for survivability, the f-16 was not. The A-10 has a higher weapons load in terms of weight and variety and almost all of them and it's systems are designed for attacking targets on the ground. Slow is actually good for SEAD. Pilots need time to visually find and confirm targets. The A-10 is a bomb truck, the F-16 is a mach 2 fighter made to do stuff it shouldn't have been. The A-10's can operate out of poorer unpaved airfields or even roads. F-16 ground attack Payload, about 2000 kg, A-10, 7,250 Kg.

    I am all for Ukraine getting either, but I think the A-10 would be the better option, but the F-16 would be great also and seem a more likely option given the Netherlands or other countries can donate F-16s while only the US can give A-10s.

    The sheer variety of ground attack munitions the A-10 can carry and target with precision is another plus. The hourly maintainance costs of the A-10 are 30% less than the F-16 which likely would translate to quicker and easier. The A-10 is so much better than the SU-25, it's no contest, because the A-10 can carry precision US ordnance and has the targeting and management systems for them.

    The US does have F-15 strike eagles, which have been built with ground attack as a priority, and those would be awesome for Ukraine to get, but that isn't happening and the logistics would be impossible.

    The A-10 is the one plane that the US Air Force got right, which is probably why they hate it so much.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Are you claiming that the EU expenditure figures for Belgium include it's own running costs? I don't think that is the case. On the overview tab they list EU public administration costs as a seperate entity at €10.9 billion while the expenditure to Belgium is €9.6. Ireland is a net contributor to the EU budget while Belgium is a net cost.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes they work great if you have air supriority,but without them they are just sitting ducks to russian SAM systems,manpads and airforce

    And F16 can take out air defences in SEAD missions and russian fighter jets,A10 can not

    F16 can take out ground targets from a very long distance using sniper pods with stand off weapons,a10 can not

    Ukraine have still operational airfields,because Russia have only occupied 20% of the country,so i cant see the problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The Sniper pod is combat proven on U.S. Air Force and international F-15E, F-16 (all blocks), B-1, A-10C, Harrier GR7/9 and CF-18 aircraft...and (on the A-10C in 2010

    True about the HARM, but Ukraine managed to adapt the Mig-29 to carry and use them. I'm not sure which stand-off weapon the F-16 can use but the A-10 can't. Neither can currently use the GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bomb.

    Look, we both want the same thing, so give them both :-) My preferred option would be to stop this nonsense and let Ukraine specify what it thinks would most suit it's needs and ask for that, instead of everyone else dictating to them what they should have.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes but also more expensive with both,f16 is multirole,a10 is not.

    and F16 can use SDB

    The SDB is currently integrated on the F-15E Strike Eagle, Panavia Tornado, JAS-39 Gripen, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-22 Raptor and AC-130W. 

    Future integration is planned for the F-35 Lightning II, A-10 Thunderbolt II, B-1 Lancer, B-2 Spirit, B-52 Stratofortress and AC-130J.

    Another thing f16 have is jammer pods,for better survivability,not sure if a10 have it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The A10 can pretty much do everything the F16 can including Air 2 Air they can be equipped with sidewinder missles for self defense against other aircraft and they are also equipped with the latest Sniper pod so they carry stand off weapons too ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    If they could negate the sams etc A10's would cause absolute chaos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There is a bomb truck variant of the A10 being tested for the Army that can carry 16 Small diameter bombs at a time



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I know,but thats part of the integration and testing to SDB i guess

    And SDB needs altitude to be dropped,and i would rather sit in an f16 doing 2000 km/h when doing it then in a A10 doing 600 km/h



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thats more for helicopters i would say,a10 with its 600 km/h wouldnt stand much chance against a russian su27/35



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,005 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    F16 v A10

    I say why not both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭thomil


    Sorry, but that is just ridiculously wrong. The A-10 doesn't have enough thrust to retain energy in a dog fight, its avionics are limited, the amount of air-to-air missiles it can carry is limited and, most crucially, it lacks radar. Sure, the aircraft is popular with certain crowds due to its absolutely massive cannon, but it is at its heart an air-to-ground platform. Using it for air-to-air is like trying to shave yourself with a katana: Sure, you can probably make it work but the final result is likely not going to be pretty!

    That radar, and the AIM-120 AMRAAM, are the key part here. This combination would allow F-16s on patrol over, or just behind the frontlines to target Russian helicopters and ground attack aircraft while still on approach to the combat area, denying air superiority. And that's before we get into things like data link capability, using one F-16 to illuminate radar targets for an entire flight, or even squadrons and other such capabilities, even in relatively early model F-16s give it much more versatility. Additionally, the aircraft could equally easily be used to intercept the regular cruise missile attacks against Ukrainian cities, while also being plenty powerful in case the Russian Air Force actually comes out in force. The A-10 has none of that capability, and from m understanding it is that capability which Ukraine needs most at the moment.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,379 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Must say I'm enjoying Solovyov's on air nervous breakdown these last few days 😀




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Where does it say that EU Public Administration costs are a seperate entity? The total spend in that area was €10.9 billion across the entire EU for 2021, €5.6b of that was spent toward the running of the EU quarter in Brussels and is included in Belgium's 2021 expenditure figure of €9.6b. If you remove that €5.6b, Belgium becomes a net contributor.

    You can go back as far as you like and see that the EU Public Administration expenditure for Belgium far exceeds that of other countries, but that expenditure goes toward an EU institution that all EU members use. It isn't a fair representation of Belgiums EU contribution to describe them as "takers", because it isn't the true reality.

    If you download the excel file, you can see the breakdown and that EU Public Administration costs are not seperate, but included in member state expenditure.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I have read 'Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War by Robert Coram' so I am rather biased and deeply disdainful of the idea of 'multirole', so I don't see it as a positive characteristic. I can't recommend the book highly enough, it completely turned my thoughts about the USAF and it's planes on their head.

    I suspect Col John Boyd may have had one of the highest IQs of anyone who ever served in the USAF. Unfortunately he was too good for it. Most people have never heard of him.

    Back to my theme of let Ukraine decide: If it were up to me, the US would provide a list of realistic options - sort of the Lend Lease Catalogue with a couple of additions; give Ukraine a nominal budget, and let them pick and choose.

    'Hmmm, 5 A-10s or one F-16, Valery, what do you think...?'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭jmreire


    He's rotten to the core literally. Running to his arch enemy's in the west, whom his propaganda machine is spewing absolute bile against. Talk about hypocrisy, same as all his oligarchs. They cannot live in the Russia they themselves have destroyed. He should be sent back home for treatment. And meanwhile, they should hack Russian TV ( especially Solovyov and Margarita Simonyan Muppeteers channels) and publicly announce what's happening....Unlikely I know, would be great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If i was Ukraine,my personal opinion,I would have gone for swedish saab gripens,multirole,cheap ,easy to maintain and operate.

    But i guess f16 comes a good second,because f16 are more available since Ukraine needs them fast and i believe they have allready started training on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    'Yesterday took place a fundamental turn in world history - I realised we are actually, totaly fuc​ked'



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Old school dogfights happens seldom these days with better beyond visual range missiles,like meteor and aim120,datalinks,and AESA radars.

    And speed is the key to survival in a dogfight,something a10 doesnt have,and alot have changed aince 1988



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