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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Oryx seems to have some kind of maga hatted agenda

    Bizarre view.

    Oryx is an OSINT site based in the Netherlands run by ex-Bellingcat defense analysts. It quite possibly has the most accurate stats on weapons and equipment damaged, destroyed and captured in the conflict, as well as keeping close tabs on mil equipment in and out of the country. Better than most large press outlets, who often quote his figures.

    The Ukrainians themselves have criticised Belgium's contribution last year.

    The rest of your post is equally bizarre and comes across as some personal rant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    putler has gotten himself involved in a helicopter crash



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    While that's a nice map, it's fair to say that support from a lot of those countries is little more than thoughts and prayers.

    The US and a few EU countries are supporting Ukraine with cash and war material but that's it.

    I would hope the next step is the US troops enter Ukraine as peacekeepers and force Vlad to be a lot less trigger happy with his missiles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Video doing the rounds on telegram channels of a T72B3 ambushing 2 mechanised companies, last Summer or so in Kherson region

    Shows tanks and APCs in a column on the left get hit by tank fire & artillery, and 2nd column arrives on the other side of the field. T72 ambushing is out of frame for most of the video, drone shows it at start and end. At 1:40 a tank round goes right through one of the APCs and strikes another not too far behind it near the treeline, insane.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    It would. The ATACMS would cripple orc logistics, the F16s would destroy anything the orcs tried to put in the air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    a man with all that blood cancer and who keeps **** his pants and falling downs stairs shouldnt be let near the cockpit of a helicopter

    hes got to be the unluckiest man in the world these past 2 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Does Oryx at any point criticize Nato?

    You know, ... like Zelensky did, on tv, in no uncertain terms.

    If no, then theres a clear bias.

    If yes, then by the standards of some they must be another resident of Orwell rd.

    Which will it be.

    Ill wait.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭thomil


    A squadron generally means somewhere between 12 and 16 aircraft, depending on the doctrine of the particular air force in question. That's not a lot of aircraft, especially if you take into consideration that a few of those aircraft will be down for maintenance and/or repair. For Ukraine to use them effectively, you're going to be looking at multiple squadrons, significant support equipment on the ground, trained technicians for line maintenance and repair, and of course significant amounts of ammunition, from AMRAAMs & Sidewinders for air-to-air combat to HARMs, Paveway & unguided bombs, rocket pods and similar weapons for air to ground use.

    Should Ukraine get all that? Absolutely, and if Germany can get a squadron or two of Tornados IDS together that aren't completely clapped out, then Ukraine should get those as well, they'd be perfectly suited for the type of ultra-low flying that seems to be the norm in this war. Also, I'D love to see a last hurrah for the good old "Klappdrachen!" But Ukraine will need the quantity as well as the quality for these systems to be effective.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But the orcs can shoot them down ,

    12 aircraft won't win a war unfortunately



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    This is what the orcs are claiming as success today 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And If he died from cancer tomorrow.


    What would you say then ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    And when he doesnt, what will you say? Admit you were wrong to believe all the nonsense rumours and propaganda, or is it still happening just in 2 more weeks?

    The idea that since we dont have 100% certainty that anything and everything is a valid theory is idiotic. By that measure, I could say Ukraine have 500k casualties (they dont). Why? Because sure if none of us no for sure, then how can you say its wrong? Thats the same logic that follows your believing every silly rumour about Putin having 2 weeks to live, or Shoigu dying from a heart attack, or general X is about to overthrow Putin in a fortnight.

    Its up there with "trust the plan" Q loopers 😁 Putin is going to die in 14 days patriots, trust the plan, Q.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    People can criticise nation's responses to this war. I've posted a defense analysis site and the Ukrainians themselves criticising, for example, one country's contributions last year. You didn't address a single point they made. Instead you just lazily chalk it up as bias, which seems to be a recurring theme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    They just want to liberate so much of Europe.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    What does Belgium owe Ukraine?

    Why is it seen as them not paying their share or dragging their heels - what onus is there on them to provide and how much is enough? What is the benchmark?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Nobody on here bar say you and possibly one other has Said anything about putin dieing in exactly 14 days from a particular date,

    It's being used as ohhh aren't we so smart we keep saying it was predicted putin was going to die in exactly 14 days hahahaha.

    But yet it's the same people saying it on this thread,

    But yet get very excited when it looks like Russia has moved 10 meters in a single month.

    I'm want putin to loose but.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Modern battle tanks and anti aircraft missle systems , rocket artillery

    Seems to be a decent benchmark?



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No they broke trough the defence lines when they found the weak spots with manuever warfare and combined arms.

    Meaning artillery and armoured vehicles

    And in Kherson itself it was a decided by Russia they didnt want urban warfare so they retreated across the river and built new trenches and fortifications,because their supply lines was cut off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    People on this thread post nonsense articles or tweets that make statements like Putin is dying or has bone/blood cancer and heart attacks and will die/is already dead. Its nonsense and should be called out as such.

    I'm want putin to loose but.

    To loose what? Loosen his belt? His purse-strings?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But yet you can't disprove the claims,

    Could he have cancer, yes

    Could he have a degenerative cognitive disorder,yes

    Could he fall down flight of stairs and **** himself -yes

    Does he have doubles - yes


    It's not calling out nonsense it's repeating the same claim over and over oh remember when it was claimed he would die 14 days from this exact date, only nobody made the claim



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Linked article goes on to say there is no confirmation of who was on board, the headline is misleading but that could be due to the translation.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    What difference would 70 -100 Western tanks make in Ukraine.

    This only shows a few western tanks but 100 backed up with a similar number of Bradley's, Strykers ,CV90s , Maraders

    This is a fight the Russians don't want.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    They seem to just gather and share the data, why should they be obligated to criticise Nato and what about their work is MAGAesque to you?

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,675 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You do have to remember though that the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim - there is no onus to 'disprove' a claim.

    It's why arguements like 'prove to me god is not real, wait you can't ' are invalid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    And unsurprisingly neither a yes or a no is given.

    Germany can be condemned for not sending tanks, but not the US. Even when Germanys tanks look set to arrive first.

    Belgium can be condemned, for not giving enough but not nato, which wouldnt give just 1% of jets.

    Belgium has a moral duty because reasons, and has failed by not providing some unilaterally decided arbitrary amount.

    US however definitely doesnt have a moral duty under the budapest memorandum. The whole paying off Ukraine to lose its nukes, thats all neither here nor there. Even though its documented.

    Back to the delay on tanks, Germany is definitely to blame for that, even though the inner workings of what was actually going on aren't documented, with the public receiving conflicting govt announcements. But we do know it was definitely the Germans fault, and nobody elses. Even if they did say Poland only has to ask several times.

    Some Ukrainkan minister condemning Belgium gets featured. But no feature of Zelensky condemning natos foot dragging. But the site (oryx) isnt biased.

    'Foot dragging' by those who neighbor Russia is to be condemned.

    But not nato/us foot dragging, from a safe location nowhere near any consequences.

    Failure to hold this line, ... Orwell rd. Etc.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Using that logic what does any country owe Ukraine?

    Anyone is perfectly entitled to criticise a government. If you think every NATO member is doing a perfect optimal job of supplying Ukraine, cool, I don't share that opinion. If you think every NATO member is equally pulling it's weight relative to others, cool, I don't share that opinion either. This isn't a charity auction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The problem lies in the fact nobody on here made the claim of putin is going to die exactly 14 days from a certain date but yet the same individuals keep bringing it up like some gotcha moment,

    There was a story in the media saying putin was receiving cancer treatment,no one in here diagnosed the cancer,

    But every few weeks it's remember that time it was claimed om here putin would die in exactly 14 days,

    Even oncology doctors have told people they had 6 weeks to live yet 3-4 years later the same patient could still be living with treatments.



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