Boosters

There are a lot of people saying “each to their own” lately.

It wasn’t so prevalent the last few years though. Strange.

So why do you care about odyssey posting what is a fact after all ? Enough to castigate on the thread that is ?

Likewise the healthcare takeup of a booster that 98% took up previously , but over 8 months duration ...24% is not bad considering so many have been infected every week for the last 5 months , and likewise the general population .

Sure half the country has been infected and is recovering so why or how would they be getting boosters ?!

I heard that too and my jaw dropped just a little with the 25% for healthcare workers.

These are the people at the frontline and if they regard more vaccines as unnecessary, we should wonder.

It was already pointed out to you that around 250 to 300 healthcare workers were being infected around November 2021 when the first booster was authorised. Tens of thousands were being infected with Omicron when the 1st booster was approved for other cohorts in mid-December.

Attributing the drop in uptake of the 2nd booster to prior infections is not backed up by any data, hence the continued appeals for greater uptake.

HSE are not recognising the high staff infection rate . If they do they might have to do something about it . The rate of vaccination if you note of healthcare booster vaccination is now 25% that would be an increase of 10% in the last month alone which proves my point.

And as said and linked to source before , healthcare science and social uptake of the booster in the count end of November was 98% ! Best group which is to be expected.

So why would a group with so much invested in keeping themselves , their families and their patients well , have changed from being so careful ....because they have to wait four months post infection , and so many are being infected every week all along .

If you have data to disprove this , feel free to post it.

Edited to correct according to CSO data .

As far as I can see most people are getting infected with Covid over and over again. It looks like this could be a permanent thing. So there is no need for boosters anymore for healthy individuals.

No . They are getting them ....eventually , as with the previous booster . When they can .

Again we had the rhetoric over the previous winter with the HSE managers wringing their hands about the numbers . But many had already been infected when the boosters were rolled out so had the waiting period.

But if you are working in a high infection risk area you can get infected again before you get chance to get a booster , before your waiting period up ...Not to mention work busy and long , unsocial hours and not being allocated vaccines in the workplace. If they are so concerned roll it out in the workplace as they did in the beginning .

Even as before the incremental increase in healthcare vaccination is steady and will hit a good percentage eventually .

The immunity wanes more quickly with infection as opposed to booster . The two together give the best immunity recovery and booster. The older people over 65s are at 75% atm, second booster , which is good because they don't want to be risking an infection if they can avoid it . Might not come out so well .

They don't discount it , but they don't really know the full numbers . Because the rollout is not being done in a dedicated healthcare rollout , there are people vaccinated in other groups eg high risk medical conditions , who are not being counted as healthcare workers .

The real numbers could be double the official numbers , and with another 10% waiting for recovery time periods to be up.

You would think that it should be a priority for the HSE to find out how many healthcare workers are being infected through their work , or are still sick with Covid , wouldn't you ?

I don't think the HSE really want that though ...they might have to consider making Covid an occupational illness if the real numbers were out there !

Better to fudge the issue with inaccurate numbers boosted and try to blame workers for the system's inadequacies .

Going for my 3 rd booster tomorrow . I was in no rush but decided now to get it

can anyone tell me if all boosters offered now are bivalant vaccines ?

Ok, so we're back to taking your word for it. Got ya.

There was a lady today from HSE on radio imploring health care workers to get the 2nd booster. I think she said takeup was 25% despite a push over the last 2 months.

She said they set up specific clinics for healthcare workers to encourage takeup.

Cluedo , the same lady who has been ignoring stats of infected workers ...see my other posts

I don't believe the 25%

This is what I am talking about..

Last half of my reply to Furze99 above.

Night.

From the CSO vaccination statistics you posted:

"Nearly all employees (98%) in the Human Health & Social Work (Q) sector had received a booster, 75% had received Booster 1 and 23% had received further Boosters."

Not sure how this data is proving anything you're saying. The HSPC slides have no breakdown of healthcare workers as far as I can see.

Let's break it down another way.

The first booster was authorised for healthcare workers in November 2021.

By 24th December, Stephen Donnelly was congratulating HCW's on their uptake of the 1st booster.

Fast-forward to 2022 and the 2nd booster is approved for HCW on September 1st for HCWs, a whole 2 months earlier compared to 2021. And as of this week, uptake is around 25%.

That drop in uptake cannot be explained away just by eligibility from prior infections alone.

I am not saying that the data is inaccurate, jeez, for the third time!

The interpretation by hse managers and what they say on media is what I am talking about.

She said herself previously that they didn't have accurate figures for healthcare workers because they are not giving the vaccines in a dedicated setting by and large so people are not necessarily registering as hcws when they go into a walk in to get their jab.

So they can't say how many if they are not recording..and they certainly are not, rspecially covid infections right now .

It will come out in the wash at the end of the day but the full figures are not there yet.

Sure why do you think Trolleywatch was set up originally? HSE were manufacturing those numbers waiting, hiding patients in dayrooms and cupboards!

I trust the data but after 40 years experience with HSE management and their spin I have more than earned the right to be sceptical of everything they say and especially with regards to their workforce.

Bill G. reportedly said that there is a number of problems with the current mRNA jabs as they don’t block the infection, are not effective against new variants and the protection that they provide is very short-lived. That is actually surprising to see him say that. I would have to think he sold his stock in BioNTech.

The push for vaccines is going to pitter out.

He thinks that the next big thing is going to be a covid inhaler/blocker type of product, which will probably be considered as an alternative to masks. A technology that will be useful as a first protection in the next pandemic.