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That's original blame up and coming polish elections.

The Germans have been dragging their heels since day one , where they should have led they cowered behind excuses , it's the equivalent to listening to people on here saying let's not do anything putin has nukes,

When it looked like Poland and other countries were willing to stand up the Germans tried to stop any Momentum by publicly balking at some suggestions and telling the press they wanted to make sure no country broke the party line of we don't want to escalate this conflict,

They got caught with their pants down while putin was lubing himself up and preparing himself for a quick ride

Here's how Bild are reporting things. Main headline is "These tanks save lives!". Bottom right hand panel reads "Decision made on Leopards : We send tanks to Ukraine".

You do realize this thread is in the real world,

Many of the contributors have been pretty spot on since day one ,we all know exactly what's going on off this thread,I'm sure elsewhere bots and what not are happy to spread page after page of misinformation,on here they tend not to last very long to have any real effect,

Mid to late spring, after the daffodils bloom but before the roses. Or just in time for the next conciliatory gesture from Russia a la Kherson.

Probably unless the Ukrainans have already been receiving training on them in a friendly country, there's been a few posts on social media showing Leopards on trains in Germany already heading east, likely people getting over excited tanks regularly travel by trains going to and from exercises and maintenance facilities,

We could be in reality looking at March or April before seeing any of the new armor announced not just tanks but the various IFVs too ,I know over the last few years Ukrainian military have been working with US and Nato but wether that included qualifications on Nato armored vehicles is a different story all together

As it stands it seems Russia is preparing for a large offensive to take karkhiv again according to reports,

I believe in Ukraine's situation the issue is not so much the tanks but rather the support vehicles/crew/equipment and the proper deployment of such. It's all very well going in tank busters with one company but you have to be able to go in again tomorrow with the same number of tanks and crew, and the next day and the next day until you win.

2⁰ more on that frog please.

Send the Challengers down the throat (main gun) with the LeClercs flanking (accuracy). Let the rest do their stuff if it ever goes Kursk.

Eh, what do I know, daft Irish man.

Fact of the matter doesn't matter what part of the internet people go to Germany got royally screwed by the Russians and Rather than trying to fix the mess they got themselves into , they repeatedly dragged their feet rather than actually taking lead they made excuses and decided it was Best to blame escalation for not getting involved sooner, they have done themselves serious reputationl damage in both Europe, Nato and the global stage,

There's no Germaphobia on here they have been rightly called out by the majority on this thread and the other thread,

Anything else is an attempt to disrupt the ongoing discussion,

Last week we were all racist to russian soldiers,this week it's racism towards Germany... Calling out political decisions or indecision is racist....?

Well theres some debate about the so called foot dragging.

We're yet to learn whether it was a Polish political issue or what exactly was going on this whole time. Apparently the tanks only needed a formal request from Poland to ensure delivery.

US was involved too, with the issue of Abrams. Its all behind closed doors for now. We may never find out what the negotiations and diplomacy involved.

Far too few facts to be pointing fingers.

I dont know what racism to russian soldiers situation youre referring to. Nothing to do with me.

How did Germany get screwed by Russia?

Dublin, Ireland.

A brief synopsis will do.

Edit: 8 hrs. No synopsis received. Possibly someone is allergic to facts. So heres the thing, Germany benefitted for almost 50 years from cheap Russian oil, gas.

Made a fortune.

The savings must have reached the high hundreds of billions. Germany benefitted from such savings since the world trade center was just opening. Since disco. Probably a decade before Gordon Gecko had a brick phone.

This will also have led to increased investment. Aside from the huge monetary savings.

Thats Germany getting "screwed" according to some.

The only rationality I can find in the overall German and French position is the fear of a collapsed Russia with two nuclear armed factions emerging in its wake. That would be a bad result for humanity. The current homogenous Russia is probably better than that hypothetical balkanised Russia. Sending huge amounts of heavy armour to Ukraine does increase the likelihood of that scenario. But that does not excuse the unwillingness to send any tanks.

It looks that way to me too --

Feign disarray, then suddenly a comprehensive shopping list gets ticked off

Let the "master strategist" sit back stroking his cat while the Ukrainians envisage their next creative move

A conglomerate of intelligent, sentient beings versus a septic pea-brain

Having once been a sly spy does not equate to intelligence

Ukraine will figure this out and I am very confident of this. They are fighting for their lives against the orc rapists. They are highly motivated.

Farmers in Russia will be told what they can and can't plant and where and how much.

The view from Australia is this is a positive for Australian farmers.

I wonder could old Soviet tanks (possibly surplus to requirements) have their steering & throttle locked and be pointed at Russian lines of defence.

Bear in mind that it would be a hell of a lot easier for a tracked vehicle to stay on course than a wheeled one.

Difficult to miss a trench line.

The implications are obvious, pack with remotely detonated explosives, maybe even use some as decoys.