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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Must be close to a million men for a 3 day trip to Kiev and back again.

    But you get the feeling he's having a stroke reading the news western tanks and armor are starting to roll



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,330 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    They've never played the "poor mouth" here at any point and are pulling their weight there.

    They have been slow on sending weaponry to Ukraine, that is the size of it and what is at issue.

    They are the largest economy by a good bit now in the EU and as a result they do have an outsize economic role, that is just a fact.

    They've certainly never called the (or any) defence/foreign policy shots in Europe afair (these are the key matters at the moment as regards Ukraine/Russia and the response to the invasion) and no one wanted them to I believe.



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    Well he is going to need a million men minimum to be able to take whole of Ukraine,and id say he is worried for a good reason when it comes to western tanks,but it remains to see,the most important now is to get the tanks to Ukraine ASAP and get crews trained on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Such anger. The 4 or 5 I was talking about are certainly triggered. News reports I posted here this past week from sky news and bbc offered a more balanced view on Germany than the complete pile on in here constantly. I said last Friday that Germany should send the tanks but the constant anti German sentiment/hatred is just out of control. Posting ludicrous conspiracy tweets to that effect constantly.

    Countries calling on Germany to send tanks isn’t exactly bad words lol. There’s a difference between criticism and hatred and this threads echo chamber is constantly full of hatred towards Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭dmcdona




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Unconfirmed reports coming in now that Germany is doing a U-Turn on sending their own Leopards to Ukraine.

    Apologies if I missed it from earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    30 Abrams coming.....

    Very interesting if true, previous statements publicly ruled it out ,the loss of a single Abrams would be a huge propaganda win for the orc's at home




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,165 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Interesting to see the purge of corrupt Ukranian officials just weeks after a US delegation warned Kiev that if a single cent of US taxpayer aid went unaccounted for that would pretty much be the end of such aid.

    Zelensky not leaving things to chance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Seems it started after complaints one of the defense ministers paid or organised a company that supplies meals to the defense forces to be paid 4x what they were selling in shops for , and then took an expensive holiday to Spain recently



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Technical question - do all the proposed MBTs use the same ammunition? Or will Ukraine need to have multiple ammo supply chains?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,165 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I welcome it and it's good to see as it sends the right message to other officials and the donor countries.

    Republicans are waiting in the wings to pounce on any hint of misappropriation of taxpayer money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Absolutely,

    I seem to recall a few people on here suggesting hundreds of millions worth of weapons were removed from Ukraine and sold on the black market, but the Americans were quick to report it wasn't happening,

    I know of another situation involving a commander of one of the foreign legions making weapons vanish while at the same time dealing drugs , while sending men on suicide missions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Where have the HIMARS gone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Still doing their thing, just not alot being made public Coming from the Ukrainans,

    I believe a Russian barracks received a visit last night another 200+ casualties



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    Do you not read the russian mod pressers? They've been destroyed 500 times over, some even before they left the factory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I'd say they are conserving and accumulating ammo for the next offensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Perhaps the current tranche of impending heavy weaponry might tip a particular balance for the Russian military.

    Surely it makes the "Putin problem" an easier one (*for the Russian military) to address than that of engaging with an increasingly formidable enemy.

    Obviously the supply of fighter jets is no longer several notches away.

    It seems the primary difficulty is that of Putin being too stupid to realise that the West will up the ante until he's beaten.

    * edited to add "for the Russian military"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,758 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Just seen this graph of committed aid to Ukraine by country and Germany is the highest value of committed contributions after the US. Another graph shows total EU committed aid is after overtaking that from the USA. I'm not aware of what percentage of this committed aid has been delivered already. I think I read somewhere that some of the russian misinformation efforts in recent times have been designed to try open up rifts between the countries supporting Ukraine and it would not surprise me if some of the German bashing going on in this thread has its origins in some of this misinformation being taken as fact.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,380 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Solovyov has (predictably) taken the news of German tanks being sent to Ukraine extremely badly :




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭mikewest


    In other words the special frog boiling operation is proceeding according to plan. Expect another long drawn out will they won't they discussion about some other piece of kit (A10's maybe or something else not on the ground already). Then it eventually gets announced apparently grudgingly, rinse and repeat until some Ukrainian commander is getting a bollicking for crossing the Russian border chasing the last remnant of the horde home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,079 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It's not just Germany though. The entire West have been asleep at the wheel for far too long.

    General Zaluzhny himself was very clear last year, he needed heavy weapons to go on the offensive. I had said the exact same thing here even before that. Even the Russians realised this. After their defeat at Kharkiv, they got a lot more serious about mobilization, building defensive lines, procuring more equipment, and going heavier into a war economy. Unfortunately the West have been thumb twiddling for a substantial portion of this time.

    I fear we have lost valuable time in ending this war. If Ukraine had gotten some of the newly promised stuff last year, they would probably be in a position to use it now. Instead they have to wait for delivery, get crews and logistics set up, training, etc. It's not the end of the world, but time and lives have been lost because of it.

    I just hope the powers that be are going to fall into this same trap of dawdling. Behind the scenes, they really need to be talking about Ukrainian needs over the next year. I will go with what Zuluzhny himself asked for so you can get an idea of the scale of what he asked for in December.

    Quote from Zaluzhnyi: "I know that I can beat this enemy. But I need resources. I need 300 tanks, 600-700 infantry fighting vehicles, 500 Howitzers. Then, I think it is completely realistic to get to the borders of 23 February."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Leopard 2 and Abrams share the same 120mm ammo. As does the French Leclerc.

    The Challenger 2 uses different ammo, as the barrel is rifled, but I think it can use the same ammo as Challenger 1.

    Leopard 1 is a smaller 105mm gun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Wonder what all of these orcs walking through to fields only to get anilated by Ukrainian artillery and drones are going to feel when they see the modern IFVs and tanks coming their way day and night,

    For the last few months we've seen less and less operational Russian military vehicles operational in Ukraine,most of the current fighting is been done on foot,for all of the mobilisations all the vehicles we seen from the Russians are on trains going to and from Belarus,

    I think the scales are going to tip firmly in Ukraines favor over the next few months,

    Now tanks and other modern armour is starting to roll into ukraine what other weapons will come next, ATACMs ,GLSDBs, Drones and aircraft?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    If there's one thing to be said in this matter, it would be to differentiate between the German government and Germans as a whole, because I can tell you that there there is a huge difference between the two!

    The huge difference between the two is that half of the German population rejects supplying the Ukraine with such weapons. But it was always going to come this way. Germany has become a pathetic sh1tshow for some time now and has that American dick so far up their arse it's nearly at their tonsils.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


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    Outside of this site there seems to have been a real change of narrative recently. The online consensus now seems to be that the whole debacle was largely down to Polands PiS party fcking up, and trying to create some kind of anti-German PR for upcoming elections.

    I dont know that to be true, or false, its hard to tell at this stage with all the conflicting information. But you can definitely see the internet at large has binned the kneejerk 'Germany bad' schtick. The above meme top ranking on reddit.

    I think the brief tabloid-esque freakout may be about to be drowned out by calmer more reasoned voices.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,345 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    That's Renault cars gone. Dacia cars gone. Citreon cars gone. That's the city of St. Petersberg levelled.

    Be german next.

    Someone buy shares in Lada tout suite.



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