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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭Cordell


    He's already doing most of those things, so what's the threat now? That he will do them...better?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Could we send our pc9s .

    Asking for a friend.

    Who's not on benefits 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,669 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The threat of Russia is 2-fold I feel.

    The first is any sense of victory in their attempt to grab land. If they are allowed to succeed, even to a limited degree, it will simply embolden them. The human cost will not mean anything to them, and will try again for any target they feel they can gain for the price of human-wave attacks and a chunk of their Cold War arsenal. And maybe, just maybe they overrun a whole nation. Maybe Ukraine, maybe Georgia, or maybe something more "Western"? Whatever takes their fancy. This threat must be neutralised.

    The second threat, which I feel we should be planning for now, is the functional collapse of the Russian Federation. They've pulled the plug on a demgraphic grenade which is still ticking away, and still gripped to their chest. That was on top of a birth-rate dip that echoes from their losses in WWII. They may have already reached a tipping point of unsustainable population loss made irreparably worse by sending so many young men to their death while causing the rest to flee. Their ability to sustain their country will decay, and the likelyhood of factional fighting and civil war seems almost inevitable. All it will take is one of the regional Republics to break away to cause a domino effect. If Russia's military are not seen to be able to quell one rebellion, all bets are off.

    Thereafter, things might get a little worse. If Russia fragments into different opposing Republics, all of whom are sitting on Soviet arms, you get a Balkan-style conflict, but by a factor of 10 compared to what happened to Yugoslavia. The world will need to do it's best to somehow to contain all of that and hopefully steer them away from becoming something worse that what we aleardy have to deal with.

    I do however I hope that a Russian defeat in Ukraine might give the more democratic elements in Russian politics a chance to actually get into power, and offer a more stable / sane Russia to deal with in future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Russia is screwed either way. Analysts and strategists think that even if the federation survives as a unitary state, it will come out of the war hugely weakened and diminished on the global stage, perhaps no longer even eligible to be a member of the G8 or G20. They also think it could take around 30 years minimum to recover from the damage Putin has done to the nation.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It'd be an excellent solution to global warning... silver lining.

    If you think Putin is mad enough to start firing nukes when not an inch of actual Russia is under threat you are delusional. Why would someone with huge power and a billionaire lifestyle end it ? Makes no sense. If you think he's dying and will take the world with him... well, he's going to try that regardless if so inclined.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I doubt Putin and his family would appreciate living in a bunker for the rest of their lives,if they dont die from radiation sickness,cancer or Third and fourth degree beta burns



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Well maybe you should stop "pointing out the results of a nuclear exchange". We know what that result is.

    What we also know is that Putin has no intention of doing that. But he likes it very much when we're discussing it, because it brings up fears and those fears will result in decreasing support for Ukraine. So please stop doing what Putin likes.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thats exactly what Putin is aiming for,the fear factor of nuclear weapons,he using it as blackmail

    But its just a bluff,because thats basically all Russia have left,and he knows the consequence of using it the same way as we do.

    This if we go down you go down too mentality is unfortunately brewed in the Russian minds trough propaganda since the soviet union



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,697 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Putin still hasn't emerged yet. Maybe he is dead, in this round of medical intervention .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    But why would TaketheDosh and their fellow travellers do that? That's not the task they've set themselves or the role they've been given.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    To the theme of Coke's Christmas advert...

    F16's are coming

    F16's are coming

    F16's are coming

    F16's are coming

    F16's are coming

    F16's are coming

    Tis the season

    Watch out

    Look around

    Something's coming

    Coming to town (Coming to your town)


    Dooh dooh dooh...

    Always F16s (Coming to your town)


    https://twitter.com/AvHistoryOgre/status/1617195570476498948?s=20&t=GCfS3YDIj6D7_a6OTs9ecg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Are you looking Germany this is how it's done, count your tanks and send them,

    Estonia counted their 155 artillery and sent it all ,





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    F16s are coming because Dutch foreign minister said he has an "open mind" about sending them but in parliament the Dutch PM shot this down fairly quickly afterwards?


    Isn't the real story rather than the miracle weapon copium?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The US have been in talks with South American countries about swapping Soviet-era weapons and vehicles for American made, if they give them to Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    F16s would be great if they gave them the full compliment of air 2 ground munitions that the aircraft is capable of using,

    The issue will be how many can be supplied and how many pilots can be trained to a high standard in air combat and air 2 ground munitions,yes they have pilots but they are flying using Soviet era tactics and weapons,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Don't need a big army when your a member of nato just ask the Germans,and considering Ukraine didn't have an army worth writing about 9 years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    "A nuclear reactor gives the weapon essentially unlimited range"

    Where is the unlimited H20 that the steam used to propel the weapon comes from?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Not quite. The whole nuclear winter thing was massively overestimated for a start. Radiation? The bombs dropped on Japan were very inefficient, barely working prototypes(of two types in case one was a damp squib) and because of that they didn't convert close to the majority of the fissable material so were very "dirty". Even so both cities are fine today and were rebuilding within years. Currrent weapons are a lot more efficient(for economics if nothing else) so are far less "dirty".

    Put it another way; the largest device ever detonated, the Soviet Tsar Bomba at fifty megatons, was insanely powerful and lit up the sky hundreds of miles away, yet a few hours after it went bang they sent in researchers with geiger counters and found at the epicentre of the blast radiation levels were barely above normal.

    A disaster involving nuclear power stations like Chernobyl, or Fukushima is way way worse. If we had detonated two ten megaton nukes at those sites, people would still be living there today. Well other than the ones vapourised in the blasts.

    We've also detonated over a 1000 nukes in all the testing since then, 500+ in atmosphere, a few underwater and the weather didn't change. One mid sized volcano going pop has far more power than our arsenal.

    What would happen in a full on exchange is a load of north American, European and Russian urban areas(and military bases in the backwoods) would be, I think the techy term is fúcked. Western, or at least northern hemisphere Western civilisation would be horrendously affected and millions would die, millions more in the aftermath as any sort of society and infrastructure would rapidly break down for months if not a year or so after. Africa, South America, China(if they didn't get dragged in) Australia etc would be affected that's for sure, economies would crumble, but significantly less in human costs. More remote areas in such places would likely not even notice.

    The putinistas and other gobshítes would get their "multipolar" world, though they wouldn' be around to see it and it would be largely a "third world" for generations.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭seenitall


    I just can’t believe that man is still alive, and not only that but travelling around to fancy shindigs..?

    I just checked, he’ll be a neat 100 this year. :o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There is a common theme with Nazi ideology here. The best known marching song of the Hitler Youth contained these lines : "The flag leads us into eternity / Yes, the flag is greater than death".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭Annd9


    I'm sure i will be accused of being a "Putinbot" by pointing this out , was Zelensky not knee deep in off shore accounts before the war kicked off ? I seem to remember him being embroiled in the Panama papers scandal . Id imagine its nothing compared to the previous crew who butchered the finances of Ukraine for personal gain over many years , still not a great look for him though . In saying that, im sure it is the last thing Ukrainians will care about if he sends the Russians packing .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Might be worth going back a couple of thousand pages to catch up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    British Retired air vice Marshall has a more balanced factual piece on the Germans than the childish echo chamber on here and that’s coming from someone who believes they should send the tanks to Ukraine. But sure what would the retired air vice Marshall know compared to the self confessed international relations mega gobs experts who post conspiracy shite from twitter all day 😂 wiki source😂




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Ukraine had a massive pile of ex-soviet equipment. They certainly werent manufacturing a huge amount of their own in the last 9 years thats for sure

    And sure if you dont need a big army when you have NATO protection, why dont the baltic states transfer all their equipment then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Actually unless they are talking to Cuba your not going to find much of a stockpile of Soviet tanks in south America,

    Most of tanks in south America are Europen and hybrids



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    It says there is a condensor within, i'd imagine the steam returns to water after use through condensation and used again in cycle? Water never disappears, it just changes states.

    Beverly Hills, California



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Where did I say tanks?


    For example, Argentina, Colombia, Ecuador, Mexico and Peru all have variations of the Russian Mi-17 transport helicopter requested by Ukraine shortly after Russia launched its invasion last February.


    Ecuador and Peru have a total of about 40 Grad multiple launch rocket systems, though some may not be serviceable.

    Peru and Uruguay have a variety of Russian-made armored vehicles, including BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles and MT-LB amphibious armored vehicles.


    Meanwhile, Peru has the Russian-made S-125 surface-to-air missile system, 35 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns and 80 towed anti-aircraft guns.

    Peru also reportedly has nine serviceable MiG-29 fighter jets and another four Su-25 ground attack aircraft in storage, though some analysts estimate the number of serviceable attack aircraft is higher.



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