Russia - threadbanned users in OP

xxxxxxl · 23-01-2023 03:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144610#Comment_120144610

Schrodinger's Germans. Weapons terrible. You cant send the tanks it will be WW3.

Fighting Tao · 23-01-2023 08:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144403#Comment_120144403

Whatever illogical thoughts you have in your head about Ireland being implicated because Poland is giving tanks is nonsense. Surely Ireland would have been implicated about everything else given to Ukraine so far. Basically your thoughts and thought process are nonsense.

20Wheel · 23-01-2023 08:19AM

Post # 77402.

Top of this page.

housetypeb · 23-01-2023 08:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144573#Comment_120144573

Wouldn't Scholz be better off (and the elite cabal, of course)dealing with Ukraine post war? Russia, a Pariah state now, will fall apart after their eventual defeat while Ukraine will be a powerhouse after they rebuild.

20Wheel · 23-01-2023 09:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144712#Comment_120144712

I mean the mechanism is perfectly logical, and in the news from yesterday.

Its a new and, in a way, worrying development.

Our non-lethal aid, good as it is, never had the potential to develop into something with unpredictable big political consequences. Polands coming choices may, and we dont control those choices.

Those are facts.

Fighting Tao · 23-01-2023 09:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144755#Comment_120144755

So you are worried that Ukraine will get an upper hand on Russia. How’s the basement in Owrell Road?

Gatling · 23-01-2023 09:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144461#Comment_120144461

No ,

If Russia moves against Poland, Nato Article 5 gets triggered 28 countries come to Polands aid and Russia gets anilated.

Why you're suggesting were involved is beyond me

20Wheel · 23-01-2023 09:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144774#Comment_120144774

I dont think its beyond you.

I think youre just a bit salty.

Gatling · 23-01-2023 09:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144821#Comment_120144821

Not what I asked

odyssey06 · 23-01-2023 09:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144755#Comment_120144755

Ireland hasn't given any non-lethal aid.

EU countries have given lethal \ military aid before.

Logically your argument doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.

The Rubicon has already been crossed.

None of what you have written are 'facts'. They are your opinions. You end your post with these strident comments to cover up the weakness of your argument.

20Wheel · 23-01-2023 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144844#Comment_120144844

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-to-fund-provision-of-non-lethal-equipment-to-ukrainian-military-1.4813568

odyssey06 · 23-01-2023 10:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144864#Comment_120144864

The article you linked to it from February 2022 and it states:

Ireland is to provide medical supplies, body armour, fuel and other non-lethal material to the Ukrainian military to aid in its defence against Russia.

I wrote: Ireland hasn't given any non-lethal aid.

Where is the lethal aid given by Ireland???

And from the same article:

For the first time the EU will finance the purchase of lethal weaponry for a third country, a momentous change in the Union’s foreign policy, it announced on Sunday.

That was Sun Feb 27 2022

You loudly shouting your opinions wrapped around half truths and calling them facts does not make them so. The article link dumped establishes my version of the events as factual.

So can you point to what is not factual in my post?

Francie Barrett · 23-01-2023 10:15AM

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1617387159152984065?t=rCTafMc50Yji2gknsTqoEQ&s=19

Ukraine reported having to repulse attacks on two locations near Bakhmut for the first time, Stupochki and Paraskoviivka.

The situation isn't showing signs of turning around right now.

kevthegaff · 23-01-2023 10:20AM

I can't understand this threat to the world argument, their struggling to get pass the Donbass. Russia is severely weekened and will be for the foreseeable future. Totally agree with putting them in their place but I can't see them threatening Europe in my lifetime

Fighting Tao · 23-01-2023 10:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144940#Comment_120144940

But they allegedly have working nukes!!

Nope, they not the reason from people posting here. It’s they they really support Russia but are afraid to say it out loud because it’s a **** moral position to hold.

timmyntc · 23-01-2023 10:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144940#Comment_120144940

The only threat they are outside Ukraine is a nuclear one

Their conventional forces are not large enough to even take all of Ukraine, never mind hold it. The level of insurgency in central and western Ukraine would make it impossible for them to occupy, before they even get a look at going further west.

odyssey06 · 23-01-2023 10:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144947#Comment_120144947

Or they are not so much pro-Russian as that is a proxy for their anti-Western views.

Fighting Tao · 23-01-2023 10:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144970#Comment_120144970

People with anti west views never seem to want to move east to where their views are more in line with local thinking. It’s really weird.

23-01-2023 10:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120145046#Comment_120145046

If they call capturing 4 villages in 6 months with 40k+ casualties a victory,so be it

Furze99 · 23-01-2023 11:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144821#Comment_120144821

Sorry my memory is a bit hazy but when exactly did you start posting in this thread? Last week? Or several months ago?

All I can observe is that the rhetoric you use and turn of phrase is very alike others who post here in similar vein? Kinda odd.

fly_agaric · 23-01-2023 11:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120145086#Comment_120145086

"A book [formerly] endorsed by Putin himself". That is surprising if true (?!) but you could read it for tips on how to run an effective camp/secret police/torture industrial complex.

Addmagnet · 23-01-2023 11:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120145125#Comment_120145125

That’s why they want it removed, so that the lucky people who are selected for an indeterminate stay at these holiday camps don’t know what to expect.

timmyntc · 23-01-2023 11:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144924#Comment_120144924

If there are attacks near Stupochky it means the ring around Bakhmut is closing. M03 is already in artillery range, H32 almost is now after Klischiivka being captured. Reports of assaults on Ivanisky too on H32, would leave only 1 "safe" road out of Bakhmut, a backroad to Chasiv Yar

Danzy · 23-01-2023 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120145086#Comment_120145086

It's one of the defining anti Communist books of the last century.

cnocbui · 23-01-2023 12:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120145046#Comment_120145046

That headline is amusing in light of just reading this:

Dmitry Medvedev, Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of Russia, claimed that "Russia will struggle, and there should be no illusions".

Source: Medvedev on Telegram

Quote: "The Ramstein meeting and allocation of heavy armament to Kyiv leave no doubt that our enemies will be trying to exhaust us for an indefinite amount of time, or better yet, to destroy us.

They do have enough armament. If needed, they will start producing new weapons. So there should be no illusions.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/01/22/7385992/

He then goes on with your typically insane Orc chain of reasoning to conclude they will prevail. They have this collective cognitative dissonance that prevents them from realising that this time it's different; that the world reached a moment where one too many straws was foisted on the camels back of tollerance and pacifist/diplomatic responses to Orc shit and that the west has had enough and isn't going to back down - as it always has done - and let them win this one.

One of the few good things at the moment is that we don't have a Kissinger or his ilk in a senior position in the EU or US at the moment, urging 'diplomacy'.

23-01-2023 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144940#Comment_120144940

Weak for 10 years, maybe. According to a retired RAF intelligence officer recently interviewed. russia has exported wagner group to destabilise Africa and other places, which in turn keeps the flow of refugees going into Europe as well as taking over natural resources in those nations. They have cyber capabilities and are a threat to undersea cables.

There are two saving graces at the moment, russia is corrupt and stupid. However, install a competent but ultra nationalist leader and russia will be a different threat altogether.

cnocbui · 23-01-2023 12:49PM

Something interesting is going on in Ukraine in the background to all this that I don't think many are aware of, as it doesn't get much coverage, for obvious reasons, and that is that Ukraine is taking this opportunity and is cleaning house. By that I mean it's tackling the corruption that it's been famous for and plagued with.

Zelensky hasn't just been waging a war against the Horde, he's simultaneously been waging a far less obvious one on corruption. The latest action on this front has been a Deputy Minister for Infrastructure being exposed and who will be dealt with:

"Today, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine dismissed the deputy minister, who was exposed by the National Anti-corruption Bureau of Ukraine [NABU] employees. Law enforcement officers have every opportunity to conduct an investigation and send this proceeding to court.And I want this to be our signal to everyone whose actions or behaviour violate the principle of justice. Of course, now the main focus is on defence, foreign policy, and war. But this does not mean that I do not see and hear what is being said in society at different levels – both in the central and in the regional ones."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/01/22/7386027/

A few months back they found and outed several officers in the Odessa customs office for corruption and are prosecuting, and I have seen many other instances of corruption being uncovered and actually dealt with.

Aside from the obvious war aspects, the Ukraine that went into this conflict, won't be quite the same one that emerges, in terms of corruption and the attitude of inevitability/acceptance to it.

Besides this, there is a very significant internal war going on against traitors, saboteurs, collaborators and outright Russian agents. I think they are up to around a thousand of these being nabbed so far.

So Zelensky and his team are essentially fighting 3 wars simultaneously. Amazing.

cnocbui · 23-01-2023 01:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120145451#Comment_120145451

It took that moron more 10 months to reach a conclusion I formed a long time ago. I loath him.

jmreire · 23-01-2023 01:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144755#Comment_120144755

All I can say to you 20wheel is that if you are so worried about the consequences of Poland and Ukraine actions in defending against Russian aggression, and the effect this will have on Ireland, is that you start building your very own bomb shelter in the back garden, or under the house. A good modern one, able to withstand a nuclear attack, and with enough provisions to last 6 mths. Then you can relax, save in the knowledge that you will be OK ( for 6 mths anyway)

jmreire · 23-01-2023 01:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144967#Comment_120144967

Nope, Nuclear is not the only threat they pose to the world. The west / US/ to name just two possible targets, are all interconnected by undersea cables, which are very vulnerable to attack and destruction, and that's even before we get into internet sabotage, hacking. Interfering in elections , infiltrating Government's. Nope, the list of what Putin can do in terms of destruction world wide is very long. And it can be the most insidious kind, without a shot being fired. Is the German Leopard tanks one example of Russian interference.?

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