Russia - threadbanned users in OP

What's with the alternative views and the weather forum's

I'd say that the overriding consideration at the moment is to save Ukraine and defeat Russia, at all costs literally. If Ukraine loses, and is taken over by Russia, the west and US etc. can forget about any payment of any kind. Whatever kind of financial "Package" that will be put in action, is even now is most likely being discussed, but its not even remotely a case of weapons being withheld because of a cash or payment issue. Imagine the massive cash input during the Marshall Plan after the second world war, which turned two destroyed country's into success story's after the war. Something similar to that will be put in place I imagine , ( but this time, only one Country will benefit, )

As I said alternative views.

We have a long enough list of people who come from the same forum spouting the same old I'm here to correct people .

Yeah No.

So I posted another user that Germany has sent the second most military aid in the world after the US that it was on the bbc tonight.

You quote me saying no they aren’t.

I reply with a link to the bbc news video stating Germany is 2nd

You reply no. Then insinuate a conspiracy to deflect from you being wrong and are now running with it.

Imagine being so insecure that you just can’t admit you got it wrong you have to be childish and make stuff up. You sound like Kelly Anne Conway with your alternative facts lol

Well sorry, all the deflecting in the world won’t change a thing. Here’s a link to you being wrong again. Skip to 4.46

There 4th on the list behind Poland and behind on Poland who's taken in more refugees too

I see according to the Germans they have delivered 40 Maraders to Ukraine.

But they haven't sent any to Ukraine as of yet

The figures are easily confused: Military Aid committed/pledged and then that's broken down to if it's actual aid (weapons etc...) or money to finance weapons etc...

The annoyance on the thread towards Germany I think stems from the start. Not allowing UK/US flights with arms fly over Germany on the way to Ukraine. I think that was far back as Dec 2021. Then we had the donations of helmets..... good god. Then there was the big rearmament speech by Scholtz that seems like hot air. Then we had the fiasco with rusted Anti Tank weapons that they had etc...

The IRIS-T system and Geppards have been literally lifesavers for Ukraine and fair dues for them delivering them and Germany do supply a whole load of logistical help that goes under the radar. But they literally have to be shamed into delivering the heavy stuff. Countries like Estonia have literally given Ukraine every single piece of Artillery they have similar for Poland with their tanks. The latest list from countries donations have been incredible, really digging deep, Challengers, Bradleys, Styrker, Archer....... but the leopard is still caged. The best beast to beat the bear!

The requested helmets? That will have saved lives?

Its thanks to the German exchange (Ringtausch) program that 40 Greek BMPs, 30 Slovakian BMPs, and 35 Czech T-72s are in Ukraine.

Vehicles directly from Germany include:

14 self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000.

54 M113 armored personnel carriers.

50 MRAP vehicles DINGO.

10 HMMWV

30 self-propelled 30 self-propelled GEPARD anti-aircraft flakpanzer.

5 multiple rocket launchers MARS II.

COBRA mobile counter battery radar system.

107 border protection vehicles.

15 armoured recovery vehicles.

13 tank transporter tractors.

143 Pick-ups.

35 load-handling 8x8 wheeler trucks.

12 heavy duty trailer trucks.

6 lift trucks.

18 load-handling trucks 8x8.

3 (beaver) bridge-laying tanks.

280 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles).

6 mobile decontamination vehicles.

8 mobile ground surveillance radars.

My issue is with the slowness of Germany supplying critical heavy weapons.

I know they have supplied critical logistical equipment but one would expect more.

The same time Germany was handing over helmets the US was flying in javelin missiles to Kyiv to keep the UK NLAWS company. That says it all really.

Dated sep 2022.