I'm not sure what your first few points are, however I will let you in a little secret.... Ukraine is the one trying to avoid a massive war on the continent.
I'd actually say it's already a massive war, 2nd largest army in the world from the largest country in the world, waging war on the largest country in Europe, genocide and all.
Germany or any other country dithering and delaying and not sending arms to help Ukraine will cause the 'massive war on the continent'. Some people fail to see that appeasement doesn't work with dictators.
21st century. So, its on a list since 2000. Its 2 places up from the massive war that was "the war against boko haram".
Well Jesus.
It's made a list.
Neutral does not mean NATO. mask slipping.
Thats not massive.
You mean more can't come. We've reached capacity, oh the shame.
Yeah, we're neutral as regards nato. Best decision ever.
There is already a massive war on the continent. Jesus.
'Poland are invading us' is a bit of a hard sell to the Russian public.
'Germany is trying it again' will activate the nation however.
In any case its easy to talk big when you're not on the continent, where troops can freely move.
Germany has to avoid causing a massive war on the continent. US has Mexico to worry about. UK basically nothing, island.
Guy Verhofstadt encouraging Poland to defy Moscow/Berlin and get the tanks sent.
If they do, Germany will try strike back at Poland via the EU, Guy and others must not allow them to get away with that.
And now were full. Due to a stupid policy. So those Ukrainians that needed to come over cant. Or the minister will give you a voucher and say on your way. Ireland could turn over it's Entire supply of arms due to apparently not being threatened by anyone and Neutral.
Does it have to be?
I would think 60k places for refuge is something not to be scoffed at.
And yes, mention the 9m from Ireland, please do.
(ps list doesn't include hospital transfer missions and hospital beds)
Self explanatory it's in Plain English. Should we mention 9m from Ireland. Granted the 3bn set aside for the refuges should be taken into consideration. But it's not direct aid.
6 European countries physically have a border with Russia (excluding Belarus and Ukraine) and those 6 countries have not being shy in delivering arms to Ukraine. But Germany with Poland as a buffer is!
Yes and Germany and France werealso help arm Russia since 2014, but that was more a creative way around the sanctions!
Meanwhile the UK trained 20k troops from 2015.
whats interesting about it?
Dated sep 2022.
Both the US and the UK are nicely tucked away far from Moscow, with nice wide water obstacles in between.
Countries which share the continent with Russia, and are a days drive from Moscow, unsurprisingly must move more carefully.
Although, Germany and France have been helping Ukraine in various ways, including supplying weapons since at least 2014. Long before the flights you talk of.
I'm not pitting the goal of the war and Ukraine winning against who pays what. Just curious what debt Ukraine will have with say the UK post the war. In WW2 the UK owed a lot to USA, that debt was finally paid off in 2006. At the end of thos war, will Ukraine be handed a bill from the UK. You can substitute the UK for many other countries, but for curiosity sake, whats the UK position.
One is our neighbour and one has close ties to Ireland. Will I mention the places like Poland then instead ? How does that effect Germany not delivering and presenting excuses.
Germanys to be delivered is an interesting read.
My issue is with the slowness of Germany supplying critical heavy weapons.
I know they have supplied critical logistical equipment but one would expect more.
The same time Germany was handing over helmets the US was flying in javelin missiles to Kyiv to keep the UK NLAWS company. That says it all really.
I have a slight digression to make here, but its an essential question.
What is this "US/UK" thing I keep seeing coming almost exclusively from British people.
It seems like a deep yearning to bask vicariously in the glow of the US's power. By a people who were cuckholded out of the top spot by American independence.
Its very groupie-ish. And I don't see the sentiment being returned. Which makes it quite pathetic.
Not sure of the wording in the contract But I assume its for defensive actions and not resale. for example. Giving them is not selling.
Germany make an announcement on why they can't send something!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Poland can't export a Leopard tank to Ukraine without Germany's permission, but Poland could invade Belarus and then Russia using Leopard tanks, or would they need German permission?
The requested helmets? That will have saved lives?
Its thanks to the German exchange (Ringtausch) program that 40 Greek BMPs, 30 Slovakian BMPs, and 35 Czech T-72s are in Ukraine.
Vehicles directly from Germany include:
14 self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000.
54 M113 armored personnel carriers.
50 MRAP vehicles DINGO.
10 HMMWV
30 self-propelled 30 self-propelled GEPARD anti-aircraft flakpanzer.
5 multiple rocket launchers MARS II.
COBRA mobile counter battery radar system.
107 border protection vehicles.
15 armoured recovery vehicles.
13 tank transporter tractors.
143 Pick-ups.
35 load-handling 8x8 wheeler trucks.
12 heavy duty trailer trucks.
6 lift trucks.
18 load-handling trucks 8x8.
3 (beaver) bridge-laying tanks.
280 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles).
6 mobile decontamination vehicles.
8 mobile ground surveillance radars.
US/UK announce something it arrives. German says things and excuses after.
The figures are easily confused: Military Aid committed/pledged and then that's broken down to if it's actual aid (weapons etc...) or money to finance weapons etc...
The annoyance on the thread towards Germany I think stems from the start. Not allowing UK/US flights with arms fly over Germany on the way to Ukraine. I think that was far back as Dec 2021. Then we had the donations of helmets..... good god. Then there was the big rearmament speech by Scholtz that seems like hot air. Then we had the fiasco with rusted Anti Tank weapons that they had etc...
The IRIS-T system and Geppards have been literally lifesavers for Ukraine and fair dues for them delivering them and Germany do supply a whole load of logistical help that goes under the radar. But they literally have to be shamed into delivering the heavy stuff. Countries like Estonia have literally given Ukraine every single piece of Artillery they have similar for Poland with their tanks. The latest list from countries donations have been incredible, really digging deep, Challengers, Bradleys, Styrker, Archer....... but the leopard is still caged. The best beast to beat the bear!
I see according to the Americans they have delivered Bradley IFVs to Ukraine.
But they haven't sent any to Ukraine as of yet
I see according to the Germans they have delivered 40 Maraders to Ukraine.
A time gap between announcement and delivery is not uncommon, throughout the countries.
For example, the challenger 2 has not yet arrived. Promised, announced, yet not delivered.
There 4th on the list behind Poland and behind on Poland who's taken in more refugees too
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