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Random Golf Thoughts

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Yip, burrows made by an animal are included as an abnormal course condition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    Not sure where to stick this, not as much changed as i expected





  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭CSWS101


    Looks very nice though. Saw the green fee has gone up to 200, mad. Hopefully they will have a GUI rate as no Irish golfers are paying that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    I've played it twice and it would need a lot more work to be worthy of €200 but maybe more was done than in the video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭boccy23


    Seeing all these videos on YouTube about the new Callaway Paradigm. But, wow, what a price. Its 600 sterling and 600 dollars. So here it will be probably 700 Euro. Really, have drivers become that much more to produce. Puts 90% of golfers out of the market.

    When I came back to the game in 2020, I was surprised on the price of everything then, especially putters. But with this price now, I think all this new tech will become far too expensive for the vast majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Yeah but there's loads of choice, more expensive doesn't mean better.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    It's like anything, brand new off-the-shelf are for the early adopters and suckers. Look at the 2020/2021 versions and they'll be nicely discounted and almost identical in performance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭coillcam


    This ^^^ x1000. You can pick up a TM Sim from 3 years ago on the cheap now, likewise, the TSi3 will drop and G425 should be on the way down. I think the current Cobra drivers (released 2022) are already €350 brand new. The only thing is that most fitters won't necessarily carry the older models if you want to do some testing, it'll be the current release plus some of last year's model. A properly fit 3 year old driver will outperform an off the shelf Paradym.

    Watch Peter Finch's channel over the coming months as the drivers are all released. He's got multiple of the same ventus shaft with all of the OEM adapters. They'll be in direct challenges BUT also comparisons on the preceding models. TXG does this already tbf but there often isn't much difference year on year.

    I think that golf will struggle over the next year or two compared to the pandemic bump and growth. If there is an economic dip the prices will have to tumble back to reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭boccy23


    I don't disagree at all that bargains can be had on the previous generations and that will remain. I suppose what was surprising on this particular launch was the price point. Is this now the new norm? €700 as opposed to €550-€600 last year. The cost of living crisis will be interesting in how it affects golf this year, re these new clubs, membership, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭coillcam


    When TM released the Stealth last year the driver RRP was €650 and the Stealth+ wood was €450. They were definitely at the high end of the market. I'm not sure at what point inflation influences the cost of materials, R&D, and logistics vs TM deciding on a high margin. For me playing numbers and product sales will have to dip given the uncertain global economic conditions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    I think you're right that golf will wane in popularity over the next couple of years. The problems that existed before covid (mainly ruined required to play the game) are still there and now that people can do other things I think they will again.


    I'm not sure the price of clubs will come down though. Certainly not the top clubs. Maybe we'll see the leading brands start to bring out a mid range of clubs or something, but I think clubs are just really expensive now. The fitting thing is perhaps the biggest driver of this. Before when someone was looking at a new club they could look at last year's model, second hand etc. Now there's a perception that getting fitted is the most important thing which basically restricts you to new clubs. Which means they can bump the price up and people will still go for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Read an interesting piece about how PXG are actually a massive driver behind a lot of this.

    In essence, even if they didn't break into the market massively, they showed what golf consumers are willing to pay for premium clubs and to an extent normalised high price clubs (outside of people paying premium for some of the high end Japanese manufacturers which are more niche).



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Bahanaman


    Has anyone here played any of the three day competition packages that are being advertised at the moment? Some of the ones I've seen are the Donegal Links Classic or one over in Kerry with two of the rounds in Waterville. Are there other similar packages that people would recommend. They don't have to be competition, just maybe a three days of golf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭benny79


    A fool and his money is easily departed! Golf in general is gone up The European is charging a €100 gui rate during winter! before covid hit it was €60/50. As I would play it regularly although its my favourite course in Ireland I cant justify that!

    There is a interesting video I came across on you tube of some ozzy young lad who bought clubs at flie markets for like $30/40 and but a up market shaft in them and the different was night & day and preformed much better than the new models!

    I to have recently got new clubs my driver is 5 years old Cobra F9 when it first came out instead of getting a new driver I got an upgraded shaft cost €260, dear but still cheaper than a new driver and so far its way more consistent and am loving it. Remember all the Pros would be using upgraded shafts which probably be worth more than the driver heads!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,569 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    200 is insane. I played a few Opens there in 2021 for 50 a pop and that was about right. With the upgrade works I thought they might jump to 90 or so but as yousay I can't see many Irish players opting to play there for 200 quid when there so many other options around. And it's not close enough to anything else really to draw a big America crowd.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Bahanaman


    Some good deals on golf shoes on the puma website. Never worn Puma shoes but that's about to change. Serious reductions plus an extra 20% off on some shoes with an extra discount code. Free delivery over 50 euro with free returns within 60 days. Dunno if this is the place to post good value golf stuff?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Can anyone tell me if golfbidder.co.uk handles customs etc for clubs bought from Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭coillcam


    Cheers for that, got a couple of polos.

    I would believe so as they have a number of EU versions of the site. However, it's best to call or email them to confirm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Got my first evening golf of the year in yesterday. 5:35 tee off, 6 holes, 2 ball Matchplay.

    It's a start!



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Once the hour changes in a few weeks, its evening golf for months! Can't wait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Yeah, we could have done with the clocks going forward from the start of February.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    They should just not **** move at all, but sure who knows when that'll finally happen 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Cannot wait either. A shame we have to wait until the end of the month but I'm thankful of the extra 10 mins or so of daylight we get on the west coast for now.

    The calculators and sun dials have been out this morning...9 holes will be achievable, given a 5:30ish start, by Paddy's Day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭benny79


    I agree. Think its stupid they but it back in the first place!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    Is there a good golf app for leaderboards? I used the golf channel one and it was decent but now they're no longer supporting it and pushing me to the NBC sports app when I open it.


    But is there a one stop shop for leaderboards for PGA, European tour, LPGA, champions tour?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    That feeling when you start a scramble with 5 birdies in the first five holes....

    And yet you only finish 5 under.



  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭CSWS101


    Anyone know if players with an english handicap can play in an open competition here? Surely the whole point of WHS is to allow for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Yes but they need bring back their card to their handicap secretary for handicapping purposes



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Are courses allowed to copy a golf hole? I mean could Waterville decide to copy the 17th 12th at Augusta if they wanted to? And if you were to copy a full 18 of unique holes, what would they be?

    Not planning to do it, just was a shower though i had this morning 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭OEP


    In No Laying Up's "Strapped" series, the play a course in South Carolina called the World Tour Golf Links - and it's 18 replicas of famous golf holes.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Yeah, just seeing that now, along with a few other courses that do something similar in the US. Maybe when i win the euromillions.

    I didn't get the right hole that i was thinking of, so shows you what know :P



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Yes, I played a "fantasy" course in the US, 6 holes picked by three different golfers and rolled into 18, my lasting memory is the par 3 (12th?) at Augusta, you see virtually none of the green, just the two bunkers with a small bit of green on the right hand side



  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭GolfPar


    I played the said course before. Bit of a novelty factor to it with the 1st & 18th at St Andrew's for example and the 17th in Sawgrass among the holes I remember. They weren't exact replica's for obvious reasons buy you got the feel for what they might be like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Bahanaman


    The youtuber, James Robinson, has a video up playing such a course in Dallas I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    In a stroke play comp, can you pick up on a hole ("declare the hole started but not completed") and continue on with the rest of the round?

    I'm aware the round will go down as a NR but am I right in saying it can still be considered for handicap purposes?

    Had an example at the weekend where a new guy was really struggling to get out of a bunker, he wasn't enjoying the ordeal lots and lots of attempts. I offered it up that (there was no pressure but) he could pick up if he wanted and all was not completely lost... But the others guys were adamant that he had to finish the hole, that he could get a wrap on the knuckles for not finishing the hole / turning the round into a NR.



  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭CSWS101


    You can pick up and submit the round for your handicap, they give you net double bogey. But yeah some competition committees might be having a word after NRs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭OEP


    This is quite common - someone loses a ball and isn't running back to hit another because their round isn't going well so scratch that hole but continue their round. As far as I'm aware you're actually encouraged to finish the round out, as for handicap purposes everyone is supposed to hand in their scorecard. I don't see why a competition committee would have an issue with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭boccy23


    If it's for handicap purposes, I know that our committee is insistent on a complete scorecard. Maybe that was the reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    I picked up in the medal and played on. Counts for handicap and NR in medal comp



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Yip that was my understanding, thanks all. I will have to check if the club issued any communications recently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 767 ✭✭✭Lefty2Guns


    Golf GPS Watches

    I have funds on my club account and was looking at purchasing a GPS watch they have in the pro shop. Its a Golf Buddy aimW11.

    Anybody on here have use any Golf Buddy watches? What are they like?

    My current GPS watch is a Garmin but its nearly 12 years old. Need an upgrade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭zocklie


    Playing a singles matchplay recently, going down the 16th, a par three. Playing partner hits his ball right behind some trees near an on area and we're not sure if in play or not, so he hits provisional, puts it to 2 feet.


    When were walking to the green, he makes no attempt to look for the ball, takes his putter out, marks his ball, and waits for me to putt. I can see his ball and tell him his original is in play, so he does the whole rigmarole of going back and getting his wedge etc.


    Does he half to look for his ball, or can he just declare it lost without attempting to look for it? What if he declares it lost but I find it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    If you find it before he holes out then he must play his original ball. However, if he has tapped in before you find it then he has completed the hole as far as I know (I could be wrong on the 2nd part!!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭coillcam


    It's only a tricky one due to the marker. If he plays a stroke against the provisional at any point further than that of the search area, it's automatically "in play". That means putting the ball would make it live (holing or finishing out it would also be the same). I'm not certain if marking the ball automatically makes it live or not. This is the only ambiguity for me.

    If you found it within the 3 mins limit - The original ball is in play. If the 3 mins expire then the provisional is in play. You can't declare a ball lost but you could state/assume it's likely lost in a forest/fescue and say my provisional is live - this statement still means absolutely nothing in terms of the rules. Once the 3 mins haven't elapsed that original ball has to be played if found. Provided the provisional hasn't passed the search reference point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭Salvadoor


    If he tapped in, he could potentially have played out of turn and then be asked to replace it by his opponent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,067 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Yes in matchplay Salvadoor has made a good point to follow up on mileys point.

    but I would be making him play original



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,067 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,067 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    it's not an NR and there is nothing wrong with it

    the committee can't have n issue. its still a completed card, you just made a dogs dinner of one hole and picked up and moved onto next tee. it's perfectly allowable. i think you'll find that if you dig deeper, the issue your committee most likely has is that some people then don't submit their scores because they are out of hte competition. everyone must submit their scores, and just put picked up on relevant hole they didn't complete

    When the format of play allows, players are encouraged to pick up at their maximum hole score to keep up a good pace. For competitions, the adjustment is applied after the round. This means that the score posted for the competition and the score submitted for handicap purposes could be different.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭CSWS101


    "when the format of play allows" pretty sure for strokes if you pick up its an NR as I said still counts for handicap though.



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