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Paschal Donohoe expenses controversy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,461 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Parked on the bloody footpath and cycle lane! Who's going to pay the fine for that now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Wonder what he did on the indo that makes them do this? Or is it that the Indo thought they could get a bit of popularity like the Ditch by throwing up what they thought was a "nothing burger" but it has kinda got away from them?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    They pretty much are. FF, FG, Lab, SF, all cheeks of the same arse. A Hobson's choice for voters.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Minister Donohoe is no stranger to being wheeled out in media circles to take the flack and heat off for his own teams complete mismanagement of every single facet of their rule. He used to go on Vincent Browne's TV show and do the exact same thing every night of the week. Didn't give a $hit then, doubt he gives a $hit now. Nothing will come of it either.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,823 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Wrote his unmissable book reviews for the opposition...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Never an issue filling out expense forms though is there. And always manages to end up the max you can claim or a few € off it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭jmcc


    This isn't going to help FF's confidence in FG despite whatever Martin does.

    The upcoming opinion polls should be interesting and FF may actually overtake FG in popularity. And the Dail resumes today.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Once again we see the dodgy shenanigans of FG and their associated cronies- the way they drone on about “Paschal” you’d swear he was some kind of messiah figure- let me tell you as a middle income earner he’s pretty far from that when I scan my pay slip monthly.

    High tax high welfare big state all propped up by multinational tax windfalls- which they blow on wasteful rubbish like welfare “bonuses” instead of building up the infrastructure of the country. He is easily one of the worst finance ministers we’ve seen - as he’s wasted such good times on zilch.

    I say all this as a former FG voter and indeed canvasser. Delighted to see him squirm, I fear he’ll weasel his way out of it though alongside his media pals. FG need to be fcuked out of office. Badly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    If he’s that “straight” why didn’t he declare his buddy (whom he appointed to a state board) gave him a hand?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Seriously? - He went to a wedding of a friend.

    Its the indo dredging depths that even the daily mail would be embarrassed about.

    I'd say they were very disappointed when they found Michael Stone did not take one cent of fees nor one cent of expenses in either his role in the north inner city or his role in the LDA - both of which he is eminently qualified for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    "effective value" €10,000.

    In 2016 I was able to get a garage built for less.

    Deegan is an utter fool and most in the media know that and its why his anger stories rarely get published.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I'd say there's lads up and down the country deleting what'sapp pictures of them using their company vans to help put up posters during the last few elections.

    Do you know what are handy for carrying ladders and 100s of 3x2 signs, vans. And who has vans, buisness people. What a ridiculous story for the Indo to go after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Well if it’s all so innocent no one will have a problem with it being scrutinised and publicised then. I’ve zero problem with the posters etc- it’s the resultant public appointments and cronyism that I loathe



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Ireland is a small country, there are only so many people with the right skills who are willing to go on various boards. If a person was appointed to board who didn't have experience in that given field then yeah, I'd say its suspect, but in this situation I think its a nothing story. But honestly think there are far greater things to hate on the government or ministers at present.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    and add that he has extensive experience and doesn't take a cent and also would not benefit from any work in either appointment.


    Naturally the anti FG and the sf types will be bleating on about this - until loads of stories about sf getting "free assistance" start appearing.

    Funny that sf don't want to answer questions about their Irish social media accounts - managed and paid for out of the country. hmmmm...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It would probably be prudent to review what proposals he put forward and what way he voted while on these boards. Hopefully he acted in the interests of boards he sat on and didn't use his political connections for personal gain. If all is above board it can be put down to a simple error and I'd be happy to move on, I do think the oversight of political donations needs an overhaul to keep politicians honest in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Which revision of the Donohoe excuses is FG on now? The story changes so often that it is difficult to keep up with it. Surprised to see the Sindo/Indo covering this. Would never have happened when Dinny O'Brien was the largest shareholder in IN&M.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Depending on how much the peasants know the story and excuses “evolves” accordingly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,601 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The FG TDs keep trying to kick the ball to SIPO in order to quiten the story. They know full well that SIPO is toothless and under resourced.

    Michael Stone could be the next head of SIPO...

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The problem for FG and its meatbots on Twitter is that it has lost control of the narrative and the story has a momentum of its own. The fact that the Indo, which reads like the Daily Blueshirt at times, is running with this should worry FG. The Ditch and The Village may have been the necessary kick in the balls that the Dublin media needed for so long. It had become little more than a press release recycling service for the government until The Village ran with the Varadkar leak story which destroyed Varadkar's credibility and the Ditch has already broken stories that resulted in two ministerial resignations.

    Donohoe was seen as a potential replacement for Varadkar. The problem with appointing a mediocrity like Varadkar as leader is that mediocrities generally give jobs to people who are not a threat to their leadership (the incompetent Harris and McEntee etc). Donohoe was FG's last chance to break with an era of sleaze. Now, his future as a minister may be in question.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    If this is perceived as some sort of corruption scandal, then all I can say is that we've come a long way from the Haughey/ P Flynn/ Liam Lawlor era.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Thats horse **** - there are gazillions of people that could go on these boards, what it comes down to usually is who you know. Its the same punters get picked for loads of different things.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Show me any human being with an “unblemished track record”.


    as said who would want to be a politician.



  • Registered Users Posts: 428 ✭✭CarProblem




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,601 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Why aren't you on a board? Would you rather tip the cap?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Guess they aren’t a Paschal crony so haven’t “earned” it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,461 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What an amazing coincidence, that Paschal remembered that the postering was happening during the day, just after the photos of the van appeared!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Bit like Troy remembering he had a few houses.

    I didn't think too much of this story when it was just the way the donation was handled but then when it comes out that the person making the donation was also appointed to a board by Donohue then it brings another dimension to the story, was the person appointed as payback for doing Pascal a favour? I know the FG acolytes on this thread are trying to convince everyone that this guy Stone was the only person in the whole country that was capable of serving on this board but the appointment does have questions no matter how the FG acolytes try to spin it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,461 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Two boards, not just one. Have people forgotten that he was appointed to the NEIC board, where he oversaw the disbursement of more than €35 million in grants?




  • Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭TipsyMcStagge


    Oh dear oh dear caught in another lie and such a stupid lie as well. Paschal is in trouble here make no mistake the lies are worse than the original error/oversight it is really bad PR when a politician is caught lying repeatedly by a national newspaper.

    Interestingly this is being lead by Blue Hugh in the indo one has to wonder if the current furore suits Leo V as it puts the taint of scandal on his last competent minister and leadership rival?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    My point is that there are plenty of people who are capable of doing it; in response to someone saying a limited number of people have the skills required. Access to these positions is another thing.


    What do you mean "would you rather tip the cap"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 428 ✭✭CarProblem


    "I know the FG acolytes on this thread are trying to convince everyone that this guy Stone was the only person in the whole country that was capable of serving on this board"

    Strangely this reminds me exactly of the comments when the Zappone issue broke........



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭jmcc


    FG likes to think that it has the best PR people but they are only 19th century gombeens with iPhones. SF is far more accomplished at spin. Donohoe had a reputation for being a straight shooter but that all gone now. As for Blue Hugh, I don't think that he'd be quite as supportive of Varadkar to run such a story. He's just being a journalist on a good story. Thought it was Philip Ryan who was the lead on the story. The point about Donohoe not responding on the story until SIPO wrote to him meant that the Sindo/Indo had to run the story or lose the scoop. A few FGers might benefit from having Donohoe taken out of the leadership race to replace the discredited Varadkar. The reactions from FF should be interesting because Barry Cowen was voicing a backbencher anger that could be very dangerous for FG's favourite FFer (Martin).

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    Pascal is done. When you have future FG spin doctor Shane Coleman nearly in tears trying to defend it this morning you know the end is near.

    Off he goes to a cushy number in Europe and all is forgotten about until a fortnight when the next one falls on their sword.

    Meanwhile the worst of them all is still in control and his main threats are either under the thumb or have been dealt with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭TipsyMcStagge


    He's up in the Dáil at 5 for a statement on the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Will he actually give a statement on the matter or will it be the usual FG BS attacking the opposition for having the gall to make him give a statement to the Dáil? Also what is with FG are the deliberately looking to lose the next election, clapping English and Donohue at their parliamentary meeting last night as if they were some sort of returning hero's from the frontline and all it was they were exposed for their wrong doings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,461 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    But no time for Q&A - which doesn't seem to show much confidence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭TipsyMcStagge


    Indeed I noticed that alright. This is usually the last attempt at killing a scandal before the inevitable resignation if it doesn't work. I wonder do the indo have something else in the back pocket for tomorrow?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Lads, yez need to get a grip. It's hardly the fraud of the century. Calling it a scandal etc. Making a mountain out of a molehill is what it is. He forgot or didn't think he needed to register that a buddy of his lent him a van and workers to the value of about €1k to stick up election posters and yez think it's a resigning matter?

    He's also President of the Eurogroup. We need people batting for Ireland in these roles. Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot if he is booted out. I'm all for getting rid of corrupt politicians but this isn't one of those cases. The way people are going on, you'd think he was trying to hide billions.

    What he did was trivial and easily explained as a minor error. Get a grip.



  • Registered Users Posts: 579 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Wow, the mood of this thread has turned.

    FG are in a real bind. If Donohoe were less senior they would undoubtedly be considering jettisoning him for the good of the government. But as he is one of the most senior members of the party, the most capable minister, universally liked, and, crucially, has done absolutely nothing to warrant this controversy, whatever the hysterics here might say, giving into the mob would cause as much damage as it would avert.

    There are certain indicators of the health of a democracy. The acceptance of election results, corruption indices, the level of access given to the press, etc. An indicator of ill-health in a democracy is the number of nonsense scandals that a government must defend against, weaponised by a shameless opposition, generating undue mistrust and indignation among the electorate. Sinn Fein, not yet in government, is already corrupting the political culture of this country.

    ‘FG likes to think that it has the best PR people…’

    No, Sinn Fein likes to pretend that, to distract from its own dominance in the spin war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭TipsyMcStagge


    Shinners going for the throat now Mary Lou directly accusing Donahoe of deliberately failing to update his disclosures because he knew the donation from Stone was worth more than the limit.

    Post edited by TipsyMcStagge on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,601 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes yes, you are completely blinkered towards blatant cronyism. Old school, fair play. No harm in it. Point taken.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,461 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The SIPO regulations on recording election spend aren't new. Every candidate gets clear information from SIPO before elections detailing what must be declared. Paschal and his team have been making these declarations since 2004.

    Saying "He forgot or didn't think he needed to register that a buddy of his lent him a van and workers to the value of about €1k to stick up election posters" just doesn't cut it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭Xander10


    So the journalist Roman Shortall, who broke the planning issue story about Damian English, has been ordered to vacate his home due to €50,000 in unpaid rent.

    High moral ground etc........



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,865 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    LOL


    Sure paying rent is for the plebs....

    That guy must have a thick neck. How does one have 50,000 euro worth of arrears? He would be up in arms if an employer did an employee out of their wages, but he thinks its ok not to pay his way? Maybe he has a drug habit or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Be fine if it were in isolation. However I’ve reached the limit with these frauds now.

    I don’t care about the election posters- everyone of them has cronies that help them. It’s the appointment of this same pal to a state board that bothers me the most



  • Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭TipsyMcStagge


    Maybe Robert Troy could rent him one of his 11 gaffs?



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