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Paschal Donohoe expenses controversy

  • 16-01-2023 6:48pm
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif

    I cannot get over the amount of coverage that has been given to this story. A constituency businessman and friend lent him a van and some workmen to put up posters. Somehow a valuation of €10k was given to this although Donohoe says, having consulted with the donor in question, that its value is actually €1047. Depending on how you apportion the ‘donation’, he was perfectly entitled to accept them provided he registered them, which of course he didn’t. And now the lead story on the Independent website is that this businessman was appointed to the board of the Land Development Agency, implying cronyism, despite the fact that he was appointed by the minister for housing and that he has waived his trivial allowance of €15k since his appointment.

    I have long been a strong advocate of political oversight, but there comes a point beyond which pursuing trivial mistakes and omissions becomes destructive. Such low-level indiscretions will always be present - Eoghan O Broin, for example, was found last year to have claimed €2500 in ineligible expenses - and if expectations are set that they should be eradicated, the public will be forever be aggrieved. Irish politics has never been less corrupt but giving credence to such stories gives people the opposite impression.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,437 ✭✭✭buried

    Don't worry everybody, Fine Gael's current time is up, that's all. Ye'll be back in when the next gangs time is up and rinse repeat

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭standardg60

    Where did the 10k valuation come from? Did said businessman declare it as such in his tax returns? I've no problem with Paschal, friend offers his van and a few lads to stick up some posters, how would he know it wasn't voluntary and the businessman threw them a few quid, as they were probably offered, why would they do it otherwise. Sounds like he (paschal) got a bit shafted here.

    The conspiracy theory is that Paschal gave him the nod that he'd be appointed to the board in lieu of the posters, lets face it getting appointed to a board can only be good for your career, but didn't know that the businessman was going to declare said astronomical donation.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 42,750 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989

    What business does.the businessman own?

  • Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif

    Not sure where the inflated valuation came from but it was either ‘SIPO’ or the person who complained to SIPO.

    Certainly how the donation was booked is an interesting question - it’s only legal if the businessman paid for the workmen himself (i.e. as a private donation), as Donohoe now claims was the case. But that’s not Donohoe’s concern and as it’s so small for a company with a turnover of at least hundreds of thousands, I really don’t think it’s of any concern.

    If all it takes to corruptly get a government appointment is the loan of a van and a hundred man hours, Irish politicians are seriously underselling themselves.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking

    Liam Deegan "independent journalist" claimed it had a value of €10,000.

    I'd stick posters up for anyone if that was the going rate!!!!

    Liam Deegan is very much anti FG. He rants non stop about "vulture funds", used to claim that they would be repossessing tens of thousands of family homes (2016) made the same claim again in 2018 and refuses to answer when asked for proof of these repossessions.

    So he has a particular hatred to finance ministers.

    And there's a reason most mainstream media don't publish articles from him.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly

    Cui bono?

    Follow the money.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,465 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,465 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko

    It’s his job to know. His election agent has to account for all election spend, including any benefits in kind.

    Arent corporate donations illegal in Ireland?

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,900 ✭✭✭✭kippy

    I'm not fully aware of the details here but we do need to keep a close eye on where politicians and their friends end up.

    I noticed Enda Kenny was appointed to a board (he is probably on a few boards) last week, think the story was front of the Indo business section at the weekend. While it is not uncommon for former politicians to end up in directorships etc for numerous reasons it's not something I particularly like to see. I'd like to know how much he earns on boards etc for example and would question why people who have been on the public payroll in decision making positions(and who are extremely well paid with various pensions etc) should serve on boards of private companies after they have finished their term?

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,752 ✭✭✭✭elperello

    SIPO keeps a register of corporate donors.

    Businesses need to register if giving more than e200

    The upper limit is 1k to an individual and 2.5k to a party.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,465 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko

    So was the company registered for the year in question?

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,752 ✭✭✭✭elperello

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,752 ✭✭✭✭elperello

    It's sometimes called the revolving door and can be problematic all right.

    One of the difficulties of enforcing restrictions on ex ministers is that nowadays they can't collect the pension until they are 66.

    So with politicians starting say in late 20's and losing seat or running out of steam after 20/25 years they need a second career.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,465 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko

    So that explains why he’s calling it a donation to the party.

    Does that mean that the party donated €1100 of services to Paschal’s campaign that should have been declared?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler

    One would almost think it was leaked to take the focus of the real big Mac Mr English

  • Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif

    If Donohoe goes Ireland loses the presidency of the Eurogroup, as well. Wonder if we’re about to do another Phil Hogan.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp

    In the scheme of things, a few lads putting up posters could very easily be overlooked. It could well be a genuine error and, in the scheme of things, it's peanuts really.

    Move on, bigger fish to fry.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,465 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko

    In the context of an election campaign, a few lads putting up posters is a central, essential activity at the heart of the campaign, that would have been planned for months beforehand. No one 'forgets' to put up posters, and no one forgets about postering when completing their election spend declaration.

    Isn't it funny how the FG mistakes always seem to go one way though?

    Did Stone pay the lads or did his company pay?

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,427 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious

    I worked in a small tech company that did a lot of business in the developing world that required regulatory approval by government in those developing countries.

    They had a local retired TD who was a former minister for Foreign Affairs on the board.

    I have no idea how much he was paid but it was very useful to wheel him out when doing sales pitches etc, it was handy to have a man of his stature representing the company.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭scuba8

    ’ Much Ado About Nothing ‘ it’s not like he robbed a bank or anything.