Avatar 2

It would be a ridiculous thing to end up on the cutting room floor, especially given the huge amount of fat in the movie elsewhere (albeit very pretty looking fat).

The ring of fire makes no sense either, they've shown how deep the characters can dive and how the creatures can get somewhat airborne. Even afterwards when they escaped the fire there was still no tribe waiting for them - they just totally vanished.

Can only think that Cameron couldn't make it work cleanly logically without impacting a bunch of other scenes and emotional beats that would hurt later movies, like the tribe saving the daughter heading back home and then leaving the Sully's to fend for themselves.

Rather than having to explain in a way that doesn't really stand up, like having a shot the tribe outside of the fire trying to get in, Cameron just hoped the audience would ignore it. Not like he doesnt have some priors - say a door that could easily fit two people.

I'm not arguing it isn't successful - it clearly is.

A successful movie however doesn't mean there isn't flaws - not to drag up MCU again, but the success of Endgame didn't mean it had perfect CGI or issues with plot etc.

Success just means people want to see it, it doesn't tell us why or even how good the movie is.

I've seen plenty of movies recently with much better and unique plots, better, more interesting characters, far tighter editing, or were simply more fun than Avatar 2 but I haven't told my friends if they want to see them they must do it in the cinema but I have in this case (on top of that to spend more and go to the best screen they can get to). That isn't because Avatar 2 doesn't have issues but because it is stunning and I think the falloff in quality and the other issues far more noticeable when it is on the small screen. Add to that to how little competition it has in the cinema right now, the poor weather, and it is a perfect storm from it to do huge numbers.

With a far shorter break before the next movie, it'll be interesting to see if the novelty factor potentially drops off. I'd hope for a big improvement on other areas or I feel it will struggle. To be fair, I had no faith in this one doing well so what do I know.

Legitimate wonder for sure. But all films require the viewer to suspend belief in a variety of ways - and I can't say I gave these factors much thought until they were mentioned here. Like with the other Na'vi warriors, I just assumed the area of the battle scene was very large, and we were just staying focused on one area featuring the main characters.

I mean, it's quite easy to split hairs like this. Do I actually care whether or not Jack could have theoretically fit on the door with Rose? Not at all. In my view, to focus on a detail like this is to miss the point. It's relatively unimportant.

Cameron's films have always been much more about capturing broad emotional strokes and relatable themes than cerebral intricacy (like Christopher Nolan, for example). It is what it is, and I'm here for it!

Seen it today, brilliant, as already said the action in the last 3rd was absolutely superb

The story, as with the first movie, is pretty weak but credit where it's due, Cameron knows how to make and pace a movie - and the action scenes are very impressive.

I enjoyed it, mainly for the visuals though the simple story was reasonably compelling and the cast are good. It's just massively entertaining and it looks phenomenal in 3D. I honestly think you'd be doing yourself a major disservice seeing it on a normal screen.

I didn't notice human characters looking awkward here, whereas I did with the first film.

I was at Cineworld IMAX and I think the fact that I couldn't determine if it was HFR or not suggests that it wasn't - or at least not the predominant variable frame rate format. I would usually be quite sensitive to visual elements and I couldn't spot any changes.

I know what you mean though, it was so clear and immersive it seemed like *something* had been done to improve the experience. I really didn't notice frame rate judder as I have in the past with 3D films.

It's likely this is due to Cameron's experience capturing 3D motion. But I also genuinely wonder if there are different formats out there for testing purposes. I really have no idea what format that was in, and Cineworld are unable to clarify, but I was very glad it was the format I watched it in. Zero complaints.

so the army guys come in, and need to stop Jake from leading raids against them.

They send 1 team after him, and he goes into hiding - immediately giving them the exact result they were looking for. the actual hunting of him is essentially just a personal vendetta and pretty disconnected from the cares of the invading army. and we don't know if the forest na'vi stopped the raids or were obliterated after Jake and family went into hiding.

I was left wondering if they ever did mine the unobtanium deposit under the Home Tree, since unobtanium was never mentioned (all that ridiculing of the name 11 years ago clearly had an effect).

they were mentioning about humans not believing in the great balance, so I reckon the 'bad' na'vi will be ones that upset the great balance. if they are Fire based, I would think maybe a 'clensing' of the land to make way for new growth (them expanding)

Also have to think the Colonel fella is gonna have a redemption arc through 3 and 4. And the daughter is going to be revealed to be the 'great mother' incarnate.

Seen it in IMAX 3D and was blown away. This and the original Avatar captured my imagination more than any other movie while at the pictures.

In a generation of utter pretentious filmmaking, it's great to know that we have at least one director who delivers a no frills blast of a movie.

2 Billion and counting.

Im in awe of James Cameron. Think he epitomises the saying that one should believe in themselves. In a couple of weeks he’ll have 3/5 of the top grossing movies of all time. That’s some feat.

Yep, the dialogue is atrocious in places.