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Did the Americans put a man on the moon?

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  • Posts: 2,264 [Deleted User]


    As someone else said, just let the thread die. Leave the op to own their own thread of nonsense.



  • Posts: 25,874 [Deleted User]


    This is a big plot hole in the conspiracy that is never really explained.

    Most moon hoax believers only contend that soon or all of the Apollo missions are faked. They were faked to win the space race and after that there was no need to fake anything else.

    With the flat earthers however, it's a different issue.

    If they are already faking space missions then there's no reason for them not to fake more manned landings.

    It can't be because doing so is too expensive. Markus is claiming that they are already spending trillions to fake space missions that the vast majority of people don't care about as well as paying off all scientists and science youtubers. And on top of that they are somehow is making a profit from it.

    It can't be that it's too difficult because we've been told that they were able to fool the greatest mathematicians on Earth at the time using only 60s technology. So unless it's going to be argued that the technology to fake the landings has somehow regressed since the 60s it is now much easier to fake landings. We are also told that all space images and videos released are completely fake so they would not have any issue faking new images from the moon or Mars.

    And it can't be that they are afraid of exposing the theory. They are pumping out faked missions every year to a public that isn't paying any attention. According to theorists these are already chock full of obvious mistakes and errors that prove they are fake even to people with no knowledge or training in science. So the conspirators clearly cannot be afraid of exposure due to attention or errors.


    Like with all aspects of this theory, if you actually stop and think about it with any depth or look into the "nitty gritty" for more than a second, it falls apart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    So they couldn’t have faked it using 60’s technology, but they had the technology to send and land men on the moon 6 times in 3 years.

    How does that work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,024 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Excellent explanation here.

    TLDW: It would have been easier to go to the moon than to fake it.



  • Posts: 25,874 [Deleted User]


    Dohnjoe provided an excellent video that shows that it would have been impossible to fake.

    Claiming that they did fake it requires you to be believe that they somehow secretly had the super advanced technology to fake all of the footage. Also that they had the funds and resources to run an entirely fictitious rocket development. And that they were also running a secret robotic space program to retrieve the lunar samples. And that they were bribing all scientists around the world to keep quiet about how the mission was obviously impossible (and continue to do so for the next 60+ years. And then also they keep all of this completely silent and secret even from the Russians, for decades with zero leaks or death bed confessions. (But then also leave in obvious amateur mistakes that even untrained internet detectives can find)

    And this is assuming the bare bones version of the conspiracy theory where they only faked Apollo. This becomes exponentially more ridiculous when you consider Markus' notion that all space flight is impossible and fake.

    I asked if that's something you believed but you neglected to answer. I will assume you don't agree with that claim.


    So why is the above all believable to you, but not the notion that they were able to land on the moon?

    What about the Apollo missions were impossible in your view?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Don't forget that anyone living within 100 miles or so of the launch site will also have to be in on the conspiracy and lied about watching the rockets launch, and be provided with fake home video and photos to show their grandkids.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,743 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I would assume that to land on the moon, the challenge is scientific and technological. To fake it, the challenge is logistical and dependent on human nature.

    I read once that the CIA have an unofficial measure of how likely a secret is to get out; that it's proportional to the square of the people who know it. Hundreds of thousands of people worked on the space programs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,940 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    dont worry, if you dont like that theory they will have a new one tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,829 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    " And yet if I showed you video footage of Neil Armstrong/Buzz/Collins faking the footage (which absolutely exists)"


    Please, show us the video footage of them faking the footage.



  • Subscribers Posts: 43,185 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    notice how the CTers never engage directly with the posts that clearly refute their warped misunderstandings

    its a "stick my fingers in my ears and shout nan nan an" mentality

    its a trait shared with pathological liars.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Think it would still be impossible to fake. It's not just having grainy footage of people bouncing around a rocky landscape that you have to produce, and Sci fi movies from decades later than the moon landings can clearly be seen as fake. Creating the special effects just wasn't possible then.

    The bigger challenge though is that you have to broadcast that fake footage from the surface of the moon, and have live two-way communication with the fake people on the moon without anyone else who is listening in noticng that the transmission is actually being sent first from the USA.

    They might be able to fake the video today, but they still couldn't fake the radio transmission from the surface of the moon or from the craft whilst on its way there and back.



  • Posts: 25,874 [Deleted User]


    There's certain things in the videos that are impossible to fake.

    For instance when you see the lunar rovers driving around you can see the dust being kicked up by the wheels doesn't behave like dust on Earth. It flies in parabolic arcs rather in big clouds because there is no air for it to do so.

    The only way to fake that would to put the whole sound stage the were on into a vacuum chamber and keep it at a near perfect vacuum for the lenght of the shot.

    Then eve if you did make the largest most perfect vacuum chamber in history it still wouldn't work because you can see the dust is falling as if it was in lesser gravity.

    The only way to fake this would be to put that massive vacuum chamber in a plane and fly parabolic arcs like the vomit comet. (Though since we are seeing that physics is being rewritten on this thread, there's no guarantee that this would even work.)


    The only other option would be to use cgi to simulate the millions and millions of dust particles, which isn't possible either because we are being told that they only had the computing power equivalent to pocket calculators.


    And even then assuming that they over came this by building a giant flying vacuum chamber or inventing hyperadvanced computer graphics decades ahead of everyone else, they're doing so to fabricate the dust flying off the wheels of the rover. Why would they go to all of that effort and expense to fake since a minor thing.

    Why would they do so, but then in other aspects be completely lazy and incompetent and leave obvious clues, like the claim the flags are bowing in the wind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,024 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    And to do it 6 times. With hundreds of thousands of people having to all keep the secret. Without any foreign intelligence agencies finding out, including the Russians, who most certainly had people in NASA and other areas of US government. Next to impossible.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,743 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    I see the thread has already been spammed-out and rendered unreadable as usual. Censorship at it's finest.

    Here's the footage. Watch from 32:00 to 40:00

    I'm sure this will be followed by another slew of nonsense posts from the usuals in order to bury this and move the thread onto another page. 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Hold on a second. They're not liars but extremely robust with the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I thought all space travel was fake?

    Why did they go to the bother of launching the rockets and then faking the filming on board those craft if they knew they weren't going to get to the moon. Why did they think that the USSR wouldn't announce that they never went to the moon and only an earth orbit? It would have been blindingly obvious to USSR exactly where they were, and likely a bunch of amateur people listening into the radio transmission as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Only just noticed this new video from Sibrel, posted just a few months ago, showing a testimony of a son of Cyrus Eugene Akers, a member of the US Air Force who confided in him on his deathbed what he saw at Cannon Air Force Base New Mexico in the 60s.


    He mentions hangars that contained lunar landers and truckloads of sand/cement mixes that entered and exited the hangar on a regular basis. The hangars were restricted by order of President Johnson who also visited the site. The most interesting thing was the list of people who had exclusive authorization to enter the hangars (spelling may be wrong):

    • Neil Armstrong
    • Edwin Aldrin
    • Wernher von braun
    • Robert Eminegor (known for making videos for the Dept of Defense)
    • Jean Krantz
    • James Webb
    • Joe Kirwin
    • Thomas Payne
    • Glenn Looney
    • Christopher Kraft
    • James Van Allen
    • General Trudeau
    • Donald Simon
    • Grant Noray

    A sickening part of this video is how he mentions being visited by men in black suits, not long after making contact with Sibrel, threatening him and his family, which is why he decided to only release the footage after his death.

    A very apt line from Sibrel in the description:

    All Truth passes through three stages.

    First, it is ridiculed,

    Then it is violently opposed,

    Finally it is accepted as self-evident.

    -Arthur Schopenhauer

    Sums up the conspiracy forum 🤣. Can't tell if we are at the ridiculed or violently opposed stage..



  • Subscribers Posts: 43,185 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    source please?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,024 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    This is a questionable video made by the conspiracy theorist who went around trying to get astronauts to swear on a bible (and was famously punched by Buzz Aldrin). It's got a lot of old debunked stuff in it, shadows, Van Allen belts and so on.

    I don't see anything "spammed" or "unreadable" about the thread at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,940 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    That was done by the bloke that Buzz Aldrin punched.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Crew of space craft take part in training exercises before embarking on mission shocker!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    No it doesn't have any old debunked stuff in it. And yes that is the man who was punched by Buzz Aldrin and also had another astronauts son conspire to have him assassinated by the CIA.

    None of them would swear on the bible by the way which is very telling. Very telling given some of them are very religious, namely Armstrong himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,024 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I just watched all of that.

    The man in the video has no evidence of anything apart from being the son of a person who made the initial claim (for which there's no evidence, and the apparent deathbed confession was lost in a fire)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,024 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    No evidence Armstrong was religious (below). No one goes around getting people to swear on Bibles, that's really crossing into strange territory.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-armstrong-bible-idUSL1N2RG249

    If you want to believe man didn't land on the moon in 1969, okay, but you are also maintaining all the other moon landings, and all space flight is faked, and all human knowledge on space travel is fake. That's a big one.

    How do you, for example, rationalise the below 50 mins of International Space Station footage to yourself. You claim it's shot underwater, but how is he speaking? why aren't his clothes wet? Etc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    Hey @Markus Antonius , big slip up with that video!!

    You've claimed before that all space travel is fake, the video you posted claims they took the footage in earth orbit.

    Can’t wait to hear your theory explaining this one!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,649 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Do you ever regret spending disproportionate amounts of your life camping out in an online conspiracy forum posting repititious, cynical, condescending drivel? Surely there are more positive ways of making the world a better place?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    its only 5 pages long so far, i'd say even a 10 year old could manage to read that much

    there are even videos for those that can't read



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