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Braveheart v gladiator

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    Braveheart although I haven't seen it in over 5 years. I only watched Gladiator for the first time last year, it was ok but not as good as people have made it out to be. I grew up listening to people talk about how great it was. I have the Canadian edition Blu Ray with slipcover.

    I often have thought that the Nine Years war in Ireland would have made a good film with the flight of the earls, etc. It wouldn't have been made because that is very closely tied to modern Northern Ireland as that is where the clans were from. I doubt they could make it now as it would stir up things in a fragile society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,776 ✭✭✭✭blade1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Mister Vain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Electric Gypsy


    My favourite film - that would be in that list of films that one is allowed to consider one of the best - would be 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest''. However, another one of my favourite films is one that wouldn't really be allowed to say is the best, is 'Matchstick Men'... which is also directed by the same director as Gladiator, Ridley Scott!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,110 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Nothing insulting about a piece of entertainment, if you want accuracy watch a documentary. Both films give 10/10 entertainment value which is their main job. Sure English people aren't all that great when it comes to knowing their history anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Braveheart is as historically accurate as it needs to be. Historically the English, since the Norman takeover, have been pricks when it came to foreign affairs.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    Also, Mission to Mars and Red Planet were two other movies that came out around the same time that was kind've like twins.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,957 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's inaccurate and there's Gibson's unnerving loathing of the English and his appropriation of William Wallace into some Mary Sue type character. It's not his only offence on that score either.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,787 ✭✭✭893bet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Also the behavior of the O’Donnels, O’Neils and local Kinsale chieftains in 1601 wouldn’t paint the Irish in a great light. The book Hell or some worse place is worth checking out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,834 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I'm after watching Braveheart. Grand but no In The Name of the Father . After watching that I would have killed an English person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,633 ✭✭✭bassy


    Grow up you fools, history is in the past and who cares today only another form racists :



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Immaculata


    Both fantastic films but Braveheart for me.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,151 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Just like Lincoln for which Daniel Day-Lewis got his third Oscar and Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,776 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Tombstone or Wyatt Earp?

    Easy. Tombstone!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,633 ✭✭✭bassy


    unforgiven or tombstone?


    easyyyyyyyyy: unforgiven.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,969 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It was really shte to the Scottish who were not Wallace. He was just as much the aristocracy as the "bad" Scottish lords and it completely fuks over DeBruce who was probably way more the real leader than Wallace.

    On the original question I love both movies but Braveheart is quite camp and silly whereas I think Gladiator is an all time classic. It's one of the few actually original movies in my life (not sequel remake or hyped up) where from the first time I saw the trailer I was blown away.

    Both are great movies and both worth watching. It doesn't matter which is better really because in the end we are all just ashes and dust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,442 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Indy doesn't even need to be in Raiders and nothing changes

    It's opinion based but pretty much every best movie list has Gladiator in top 30-40. The score, the casting, special effects are all fantastic. Wonderful performances from Crowe, Reed, Phoenix and Hounsou.

    Every big budget fantasy tv show and movie that came after from LOTR to GOT borrowed heavily from Gladiator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    To be fair to Braveheart, it probably influenced Gladiator. I seem to remember Braveheart and Saving Private Ryan setting the scene for realistic, violent battle scenes at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,701 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I'm not a big fan of either of them, I don't remember much of Braveheart and thought Gladiator was a bit of a turkey of a movie at the time although the score by Hanz Zimmer is very very good so that would give it the edge for me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    I assumed this thread would be about who'd win in a fight, but it seems to have quickly descended into a movie discussion. Disappointing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    The Patriator. Hasta La vista bobo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,263 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    But there's Boobs and bums and blurry willies in it!!

    (and a fair bit of the movie is a brutal torture and execution scene)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,263 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I think Gladiator would destroy William Wallace in one on one combat

    Wouldn't even be close

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,675 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    They are 2 great films, but I’d have to say Braveheart. It’s just a bit more rugged, more related to us Irish, more anti English. Gladiator is more big budget Hollywood, with its effects and recreation of the Coliseum, and it’s cast of a-listers. Mel Gibson has always been a rebel and Braveheart is magnificent, to be star and director is some achievement in film making.

    I agree on earlier post on Apocalypto, what an amazing film. Complete savagery from start to end, an amazing journey of survival for the main guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I'd go Braveheart with ease,

    But as someone said Apocalypto would probably out rank them both



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    I watched Gladiator the other night having not seen it since the early 2000s. It wasn't as good as I remember. Probably because things like Spartacus - blood and Sand and Game of thrones upped the bar/shock factor of the action sequences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    Gladiator I found to be a much more enjoyable movie, especially the battle scenes. Of course I've no idea which were more realistic.

    Usually see Braveheart compared to Rob Roy, which is one my favorite movies, the dialogue Hurt/Neeson/Roth is another level to both these movies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Yeah I don't think it has aged as well. I watched Braveheart recently and its still great. I forgot about the mad Irish man in it. There's a bit of humor mixed in with the savagery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Dslatt


    The wind that shakes the barely inspires similar feelings



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